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E. German Steyr SSG82 "Wall Rifle": Should I or shouldn't I?

Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by Tamara, Mar 22, 2003.

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  1. Tamara

    Tamara Senior Member

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    Saw one recently; got the jones.

    Anyone have one?

    (Those that bought one when the first hit the market, lucky you. They were six-and-change; last couple I saw were twelve bills; this one's a grand... But I want it; I want it sooo badly! :eek: )
     
  2. Dave R

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    You think someone here is going to tell you NOT to get it?
     
  3. Tamara

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    I'm halfway hopin'... ;)

    Responsible Tam: "What are you going to use it for? It's gonna set back your AR purchase by a month!"
    Instant Gratification Tam: "But it's so cool!"
    Responsible Tam: "It's not really a milsurp, you know. They're supposed to be only 2-MOA at best, and you'll need to add a new caliber to your stockpile."
    Instant Gratification Tam: "But it's so cool!"

    You can see my dilemma. I'm hoping to avoid having to dig a Binary Decision-Making Device out of my pocket and flip it... :eek:
     
  4. DerRottweiler

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    Tamara


    Just dig out that ole Binary Decision Making Device and give it a Flip!!:p
     
  5. Soap

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    Yes.
     
  6. cslinger

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    Responsible Chris: "What are you going to use it for? The P7 is heavy for a low capacity 9mm!"
    Instant Gratification Chris: "But it's so cool!"
    Responsible Chris: "It's so expensive and so are the parts and magazines."
    Instant Gratification Chris: "But it's so cool!"


    Guess we know how that turned out for me and I love my P7.

    So the moral of the story is screw responsiblility and get the cool gun.

    DISCLAIMER: You have just received advice from the 8 year old inside of Cslinger. Cslinger is not responsible for you not being able to pay your rent, put gas in your car or for you having to eat just Raman noodles.

    Chris:D
     
  7. Marko Kloos

    Marko Kloos Moderator Emeritus

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    Well, seeing as how the ground at gun shows is thick with AR-15 type rifles, and will remain that way for the foreseeable time, I'd say "get the Commie sniper rifle". You just don't see too many of those DDR SSGs out there.

    Besides, that way I'll get to play with it, too.

    :D
     
  8. BigG

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    What caliber is it?
     
  9. Marko Kloos

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    5.45x39mm, same as the AK-74.
     
  10. BHP9

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    Responsible Tam: "It's not really a milsurp, you know. They're supposed to be only 2-MOA at best, and you'll need to add a new caliber to your stockpile."

    As usual wrong information.

    You have a strange definition of milsurp. If this is not milsurp than neither would any of the other sniper rifles the worlds militaries have used. I remember seeing pictures of communist troops in uniform with this rifle. And we all know what they were used for.

    These rifles are very accurate. The problem lies not with the excellence of this very high quality weapon but with the quality of the ammo. Fed good ammo which is very difficult to find the guns are capable of phenominal accuracy. A buddy of my has one and we cooked up some hand swaged jacketed match bullets and the gun shot 1/2 inch and 3/4 inch groups all day long.

    A word of warning though. Be very carefull if shooting military surplus steel cased garbage ammo. Its not only very inaccurate but the steel cases will sometimes stick in the chamber and when they do it is very easy to break the extractor on this rifle and there are no parts whatsover available for it. We had to make an extractor and then heat treat it when my buddy broke his. Our design was made to take a licking and keep on kicking and it is still doing so two years later. And no we won't make one for anyone else that needs one. WE are not set up for mass production.

    Another alternative is to use cast bullets if you do not what to lay out the cash for all the equipment necessary to swage your own jacketed bullets.

    Another alternative would be to contact custom bullet makers that might be willing to make a large quantity for you. A group buy would probably be necessary to get them interested.

    The rifle in and of itself is a very desirable collectors piece even if you never shoot it but the quality of the weapon begs for shooting.


    Just remember do not let the nay sayers stop you from getting one of these very desirable rifles. Its not for the average Joe who does not reload and knows little about advanced hand loading procedures but for the advanced collector and reloader and ammo creator its not all that much of a challenge.
     
  11. Tamara

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    While I appreciate the info in the rest of your post, this tidbit could have been entirely left out. :p

    (Gee, and here everybody else talks about the fact that they get 1-2 MOA with good loads and worse with milsurp...)
     
  12. BigG

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    This must be the SSG they were selling a couple of years ago quite a few places in SGN. (I had visions of one of those old Mauser antitank rifles when you called it a wall gun). If it is a Steyr I would think it would be as accurate as a laser beam. If anything, the ammo would be the culprit for any lack of accuracy I would guess.
     
  13. Gewehr98

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    Corbin sells a swaging die...

    That lets you swage U.S. 5.56mm bullets down to 5.45mm. Then you resize 7.62x39 brass and, voila!, match grade ammo! ;) (When I was pondering the same purchase a couple years ago...)
     
  14. QuarterBoreGunner

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    Do it; I passed on this one when Century International had them for $600 and change; been kicking my self ever since.

    On a side note, is any one making reloadable brass for that caliber yet? It's the 5.45 x 39mm right?
     
  15. Tamara

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    Gewehr98,

    Dude, I trust you implicitly, but 5.45x39 and 7.62x39 have completely different cases. I'm not clear, here... :confused: :uhoh:
     
  16. Schuey2002

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    This is just like Skunk asking if he will buy a Wilson CQB or not.

    It's only a matter of time before he gets one, the same thing applies in your case with this rifle. Why fight the inevitable ?! If you want one this badly then...

    Just do it! :)
     
  17. Schuey2002

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    Tamara, flip one of these..

    If it lands on HEADS,then you buy the gun; if it lands on Tails,then you don't.

    [​IMG]

    :neener:
     
  18. Gewehr98

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    My bad, Tamara.

    :( I was thinking the 5.45x39 was somehow related to the .22 Russian target round, (parent of the wunnerful PPC series of cartridges) which in turn was derived from the Soviet 7.62 service round. The 5.45 is a totally different beast, once I pulled out The Illustrated Reference of Cartridge Dimensions. Hmmm, now I gotta dig for a dimensionally similar piece of brass that's commonly available. Lathe rurn the rim down on a .357 Remington Maximum to .394", neck it down to bullet diameter while forming a shoulder, trim it back to 1.55", but there's gonna be some case forming near the extractor groove to make up the .014" difference. Time to fire up the mini-lathe! That's assuming RCBS has the dies ready to go, too.

    (It's a lot of fun. I've been selling a bunch of reloadable 7.62x45 Chech VZ-52 brass, using .223 Swift and 6.5x64 M-S brass as the parent cartridge)
     
  19. c_yeager

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    Now i dont know very much about reloading but, there is a guy over at ak-47.net trying to reload 5.45 as well. The closest brass that he could find was .222rem and those worked OK at best. I guess the only available brass with the same head size is the 9mm family. heres a link to the relevant thread over there.

    http://www.gunsnet.net/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=73

    Oh and there is MAYBE a source of brass http://www.buffaloarms.com/baco2.htm look under "other" its has an asterix which means they MIGHT make it and even if they did its $120/100 :neener:
     
  20. El Tejon

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    Those things are still around???

    Bought one when the 6s first approved (cannot remember the year). Safe queen, but it was fun to take to the range and plink with while wearing my leather coat--vee vill ask den questionen!:D

    I got 2.5" with Volk ammo off the bench at 100 yards. If I had to do over, I would not, but YMMV. HTH.
     
  21. Tamara

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    Responsible Tam got dragged into an alley and mugged viciously by Inner Five Year-Old Tam.

    The guy knocking a hundred off the price sealed the deal. :)
     
  22. BHP9

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    Not to flame anyone but you must take into consideration the skill of the shooter even if he is shooting off of sand bags.

    Sako and I believe Norma both at one time imported some of this boxer primed brass and you can also reprime berdan primed cases and even steel cases but they are generally good for one reload.

    You can make cases from 6.5x54 m/s. Anneal case and form in two die form set. Cut case to length. Turn rim to .441" dia. and back chamfer. F/L size to form and swage base. Trime to length. Fireform in chamber.
     
  23. Kaylee

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    ... sounds like responsible Tam needs to Protect Herself better. Perhaps she needs a carry pistol? :)


    -K
     
  24. El Tejon

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    BHP, excellent point. Tamara, it was me shooting (worst shot on the Internet) without bags but with rest and I just shot the Volk stuff and put it away. It's been in the safe since '96 or whenever. There's better ammo about if you want to get little groups (yawn).
     
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