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Editorial calling for extensive AWB in Indianapolis

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by Night Guy, Aug 20, 2004.

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  1. Night Guy

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    Not surprisingly there are already emotional cries for an extensive assault weapons ban in Indianapolis as a result of the unfortunate death of an IPD officer. Their logic is of course filled with holes, but you have to give them credit for crying out so quickly. It certainly doesn't help that we have such a vocal idiot selling guns, and he's supposed to be on our side. :rolleyes:

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    http://www.indystar.com/articles/5/171702-2345-104.html

    Time to outlaw assault-style guns


    August 20, 2004


    Our position is: State, local and federal governments should act to keep assault-style weapons off the streets.

    Although the 1994 crime bill banned most of the assault rifles that were in circulation at the time, a loophole in the law has led to the proliferation of similar types of weapons that are proving just as deadly.

    Law enforcement officers are at a dangerous disadvantage when they must take on gunmen armed with weapons similar to the semi-automatic SKS rifle used to kill Indianapolis Police Officer Timothy Laird on Wednesday.

    The SKS is patterned after the AK-47. Most police officers carry a .40-caliber Glock handgun, which is what Laird had. It's no match for the SKS. Although Laird was fatally struck above his chest protector, the SKS fires a 7.62-caliber bullet that is powerful enough to pass through body armor.

    The 1994 federal crime bill prohibited the importation and sale of assault weapons and high-capacity ammunition. But gun manufacturers have circumvented the law by making a few design changes and producing different models of weapons that remain just as deadly.

    "What do you do with these guns other than kill a cop?" asked gun shop owner Don Davis. "You certainly don't use them to go hunting."

    Police have little defense against bullets designed to penetrate their protective vests. Besides Laird, four other IPD officers were wounded Wednesday by a gunman who had a history of mental problems. In June, an assailant armed with an SKS killed three Birmingham, Ala., officers.

    Between 1998 and 2001, 41 officers nationwide, including three in Indiana, were slain with the type of weapon that felled Laird. Unless lawmakers take a harder line on assault-style weapons, there will be more casualties.

    Indianapolis should join other cities like Chicago, Cincinnati, Cleveland and New York City in banning such weapons. The Indiana legislature should also tighten restrictions. And Congress must close loopholes in the 1994 law.

    The lives of police officers such as Timothy Laird are at stake.
     
  2. R32

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    Its a sad time we live in when EVERY tragedy like this is exploited for the use of passing more anti-gun legislation.
    All the more reason to keep a very close eye on things until the ban sunsets... and to always remain vigil afterwards.
     
  3. Norton

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    Uh, wasn't the SKS the predecessor of the AK?

    Funny how a year ago no one in the general public kew what an SKS was. The media has decided that this is going to be the next rifle demonized.
     
  4. Night Guy

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    I was trying to compose a response to this nonsense. The only problem I have is that I want to back every statement I make with citations to a verifiable source. I will not submit a response based on emotion. This is the first time I've felt motivated to respond and I'm hitting a brick wall.:banghead:

    Hopefully someone with more knowledge or at least easier to find sources will respond in my place. I don't have the time to dig up everything myself, nor could I likely keep my response short, sweet and to the point like so many of you can.

    Please tear them a new one for me...politely of course.:D
     
  5. mattx109

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    When I was a kid, my best friend got an SKS as a gift for completing the hunter safety course. He carried it through his first season with his dad. He still has it and uses it as a plinker.

    Don needs to be quiet.
     
  6. Beren

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    I've sent a letter about this article to "SKS Owners for Kerry." It's sad that they don't realize their SKS is next on the hit list.
     
  7. Dean Speir

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    You missed yesterday's drivel, the first shot of the ol' media one-two punch:

    Demand drives sale of assault-style weapons

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    I asked a friendly gunwriter colleague who isn't far from Indianapolis, who this jerk Davis is. His response:
    Another member of the crew, currently residing in Bloomington, added:
    The Houston SHOT was '94 as I recollect, so this bastid has been around for awhile.

    The operative question is, or should be, who would patronize an SOB like this? How does he stay in business?

     
     
  8. glocksman

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    I wrote a letter to the editor about it:

     
  9. Henry Bowman

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    It does amaze me how unsupportive of the 2A many gun shop owners can be. Most in my area are not anti, but do not make ANY effort to stay informed about to pro-gun cause or any issues that do not directly affect them. For example, they only passively supported the Ohio CCW movement - until it passed and they finally realized that they could make a bunck of money selling more handguns and holsters. I don't think you find many people like our Tamara on this board or others. For so long (in Ohio) there was no CCW other than cops and the long guns were view by most as being for "sport" only (hunting, clays, and target) that they catered to that mentality - i.e., cops and sporters.

    Maybe I just haven't found the right gun shop.
     
  10. mainmech48

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    Glocksman: Thanks for the effort in taking the time to write the letter to "The Indianapolis Star" and attempting to correct their several misstatements of fact in the Op/Ed piece.

    Sad to say, but I'd be very surprised if they print it. Rational thought as we know it isn't a part of their equation, nor their agenda.

    Don Davis, Sleezeball Extraordinaire and self-crowned King of the Bottomfeeders, is their go-to boy whenever they're looking for a good negative spin on a "gun-related" story. They know that he'll provide the immflamatory quote(s) they want while providing them with "plausible deniability" from bias charges.

    He is not, nor has he ever been "on our side" despite what his business interests might seem to imply.

    He is more-than-willing to play the Judas Goat so long as it serves his purpose. That purpose has always been the aggrandizement and personal enrichment of Don Davis, period.

    As far as he's concerned, anything that keeps his name out there and could possibly keep the stream of suckers willing to pay top-dollar prices for his merchandise flowing into his business.

    I believe that he has made a concious, cynical and self-serving choice to position his business to cater to the margins of the market: the marginally informed, the marginally qualified, and the marginally scrupulous. By broadcasting his own willingness to set aside whatever his publicly stated "ethical" stance might be in the interest of profit he projects an image that he is willing to sell them anything that they can pay for so long as the letter of the law isn't completely erased. In essence, "If you've got the cash (or the credit), and will tell us what the law says we need to hear, we'll sell it to you."

    I don't know about you, but it really burns my beans that the "Star" and the rest of the local media constantly present this contemptible shmuck as being a "rational and responsible" firearms dealer simply because he can be counted upon to echo their idealogical line and deflect the flack from them.

    Unfortunately, as long as it's their ball, their bat, and their ballpark I'm afraid that theres not much of any substance that we can do to change that.

    (Heavy sigh) Rant over.
     
  11. TimRB

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    I don't see why anyone would object to local or state level assault weapons bans. We have had one here in California for years, and as a result violent crime is virtually unheard of.

    Tim
     
  12. mainmech48

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    If you think that violent crime is "virtually unheard of " in California, perhaps you should look into getting a hearing aid.

    Or take a little stroll through any of the several violent crime-free urban areas of your Earthly Paradise some evening. A public park in SC or East L.A., let's say.
     
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    Someone… no names, please!… and Irony need an introduction.

    Mainmech48, meet Irony… Irony, Mainmech48.

    There, everybody on the same playing field now?

     
     
  14. boofus

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    Hehe, don't you mean sarcasm?
     
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    Verbal Irony == Sarcasm
    Verbal Irony - saying something you don't mean to make a point.
    Sarcasm - saying something you don't mean (usually in a flippant tone) to make a point.

    ~Slam_Fire
     
  16. Dean Speir

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    The Language Pedant Ripostes…

      boofus giggles:
    It's a wise and tactical poster who opens his dictionary before challenging a writer's diction.

    Now, Boofus, which do you think TimRB intended?

    And which one do you think I'm using?

     
     
  17. Zundfolge

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    Isn't it like saying the Model T is patterned after the new Ford Expedition? :p



    Okay kids ... pay attention ... this is the next tactic the antis are going to use.

    The future of attacks on gun rights are going to take the "its evil because it will pass through body armer" tact. Gotta protect their JBTs ya know.

    High capacity and "scary/military looking" aren't getting the attention of Joe Sixpack ... now they will try to convince the sheeple that "Nobody needs a gun capable of piercing body armor ... deer, pheasant, rabbit, etc don't wear body armor!"
     
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    I guess soon these will be called assault rifles too,

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    and when people hear that they are twice as powerful as the "evil SKS" they will be easy to ban.


    And look guys!!!! There is even an evil “Sniper†version [​IMG]

    :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:
     
  19. Standing Wolf

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    The Second Amendment isn't about hunting. Never was. Never will be.
     
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    TimRB

    Are we talking about the same California? That big piece of America way out in left field, er i mean, way out on the west coast? Here on planet Earth right?
     
  21. boofus

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    Bleah, I was thinking of the literary device definition of irony where something unexpected but not completely opposite happens.

    In any case if irony and sarcasm are synonyms we were both right. :)
     
  22. Jim K

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    So that guy likes to sell guns to cop killers. I bet right now the cops and ATF are working a scam to set him up and send him off with the crooks he peddles guns to. His big anti-gun mouth won't help a bit in club fed. It is to be hoped.

    Jim
     
  23. Gillster

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    Where do I get some of this?
     
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    Nooooo... Nobody hunts with an SKS... preaching to the choir
     
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    We can only hope so. I only ever went into one of the Don's Guns shops. It was my first and last visit. The guy is a Grade-A sleazeball. Only shop I've ever seen that actually had prices higher than MSRP.
     
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