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effective Self-d with 9mm in South Florida

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by platform, Dec 21, 2007.

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  1. platform

    platform Member

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    I did not see this discussed before,
    therefore thought it is of interest

    http://www.miamiherald.com/467/story/349811.html

    .. and the 9mm did it what it was supposed to do, against

    Also good that this article was in a typically anti-gun miamiherald
     
  2. strat81

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    Scary stuff. Good to see the roofer kept his wits.

    Seems like there's more to be told... the attacker's daughter was in the truck too???
     
  3. Jamie C.

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    I still don't know why anybody would think a 9mm won't work... They've been doing just fine for many years now.

    All I can say is good for Mr. Labidou for keeping his head enough to get the job done and stay alive.


    J.C.
     
  4. 1911Tuner

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    Yep. If it's shot well, the 9 will do. Sometimes it requires multiple hits, but the same can be said of a .44 Magnum.

    Like a sig line I saw recently:

    "And the .45 vs 9mm debate contines to rage on...and it ain't for lack of corpses to study."
     
  5. KrankyKraut

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    I agree with 9mm effectiveness. That cartridge has killed more people than any other handgun cartridge in history. If you use high quality hollow points and place the shot well, it's all over.
     
  6. CoRoMo

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    I'd really like to see the source of this 'fact' because I've always heard something different.
    I'm a huge fan of the 9x19 round, and believe it is almost perfect as far as semi-auto handgun SD goes.
     
  7. Roman756

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    According an article today,Mr.Labidou is severely depressed and has gone into seclusion over the killing,according to his brother.
    This is understandable, but he was faced with no choice and the community and his friends and family have to support him to get over this trauma.
    It was his life or theirs.
    Obviously he made the right decision and the State Attorney is going to back him up.
    He seemed to have quite a bit of command with his 9mm.
     
  8. Heavy Metal Hero

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    The 1911 if shot well, with it's .45 ACP will do.

    EDIT: This was a joke, try not to get excited (41magsnub).
     
  9. 41magsnub

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    A .22lr/.25ACP/.32/.38/357/10mm/40s&w/41 mag/44 mag/.88 "school buster mag"/etc if shot well will do too. What is your point?


    yes.. my sig is satire before playing the hypocrite card.
     
  10. Scanr

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    Well, how about the Germans in WW2, they used them in their Lugers. This is my opinion.
     
  11. mekender

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    hmm now whos sig might that have been?

    oh and 1911... dude... got a couple of ??? that are right up your alley over on CSF
     
  12. Jim March

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    I think people relying on 9mm should be more picky about ammo than, say, 357Mag shooters. People with 38Snubs need to be REAL savvy about ammo choices.

    That said, both the 9mm and 38+P/snub can get the job done.
     
  13. Jim March

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    As to the shooting: looks VERY clean. The assailants blocked off the victim by pulling in front of him, then charged with at least one knife, both acting aggressively. Nothing remotely borderline about it. The victim (shooter) seems to have done everything right, and even under stress didn't say anything too weird to the police dispatcher.

    A textbook lawful shooting.
     
  14. 1911Tuner

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    Aha! Couldn't remember who had it. Now I know... :cool:

    I'll be over there as soon as I get the dogs fed and settled in.
     
  15. Jim Watson

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    Main reason the 9mm has such a high body count is that there are so many submachine guns for it.

    I am sorry that Mr.Labidou is depressed, but we are told we ought to feel badly for defeating an enemy these days. Phooey.
     
  16. mekender

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    and even more suprising, no one is holding a protest march saying it was a racist shooting...

    you can bet that if the races were reversed, jessie jackson and al sharpton would be down there marching in the street...

    good riddance to a criminal, in my eyes, criminals are all the same color... yeller
     
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    I am morally opposed to the concept of hate crime. A crime is a crime regardless of motivation and it the hate crime laws opposed the ideal of EQUAL protection under the law. Whatever happened to justice is blind? Just not color or sexual persuasion blind.

    This man acted within his rights just as everyone else should. The scum paid an immediate price and the survivor will go to jail for his ACTIONS not his motives. Considering anything else is a perversion of justice.
     
  18. Winchester 73

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    Jim Watson.

    I agree the killing had to be done.
    But phooey is somewhat blase when you've wiped another human beings life,dirt bag or not.
    Re-evaluate,if possible.
    Have more facts and less opinions.
     
  19. CrawdaddyJim

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    I wrote him a note to let him know that he did the right thing. And as hard as it was to do. That he should not feel bad about defending himself. He might just want to get past it and then again he might be bolstered by a few people who support his right to self defense.

    Hygens Labidou
    Impact Roofing, Inc.
    931 W 15th Street
    Riviera Beach, FL 33404
    5616885833
     
  20. Jim Watson

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    I duuno, '73. Like most modern suburban Americans, I have been socialized to the point that I would probably feel bad if I had to shoot someone in self defense. Then I would be angry for my weakness. Jeff Cooper was right, the correct response to aggression is anger, the normal reaction to winning over aggression is elation.
     
  21. marksman13

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    73, I have to agree with Jim and of course Jeff Cooper. It is never easy to take a life, and those who remember when I first started posting here can tell you that I had problems with some things I did it Iraq, but a person who defends himself successfully in a life threatening situation should be reverant but proud. The man should be proud that he had prepared himself well enough to protect his life. He also cleaned up the streets a little it seems. What kind of guy jumps out of a truck to someone over a traffic incident with his daughter in the car? I don't believe that I would drown myself with self-pity and sorrow if I had been in Labidou's shoes. Not saying that he is any less of a man or anything absurd like that, but we all deal with stressful events differently.
     
  22. Onmilo

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    Oh No!
    A 9mm simply will not do!
    You MUST carry and use a .479 Wildebeast auto or you aren't a real macho hombre!
     
  23. Black Adder LXX

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    I made sure to tell my wife this story. So she doesn't think I'm crazy for wanting to be armed... This went down like 15 minutes from me...
     
  24. Winchester 73

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    Jim Watson and marksman 13,
    Again, I believe he had no choice in this matter and understand your thinking.
    But different personalities will re-act differently to taking another human life no matter the circumstances.
    Obviously Mr.Labidou is having a lot more problems dealing with it then the 3 of us would have.
    Following CrawdaddyJim's good advice and sent him a letter of support.
     
  25. Run&Shoot

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    I think it interesting that he was able to shoot both bad guys twice. The second one must have been incredibly stupid:
    1) Uh-oh, we brought a knife to a gun fight;
    2) Uh-oh again, my buddy is getting shot up and I am standing around waiting my turn.

    The armed citizen did great. It sounds more like a raging anger crime than a hate crime as the bad guy was known to have a short fuse with everyone and he allegedly was angry over the armed guy's driving.

    I don't believe crimes should be labeled hate crimes anyway, as bad is bad for whatever reason. Good to see a man defend himself, whatever his color, religion or handedness :)
     
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