Email from Obama | They are making a stand for universal background checks

[CmdrSlander]

I am on Mr. Obama's mailing list for some reason, I just got this:



They have given up on the AWB and mag bans... they are choosing universal background checks as their hill to die on.

Organizing for Action is a PAC bought and paid for by Obama and company, it is the full force of his campaign apparatus but brought to bear outside of election season, this is what won him two terms and it is as dangerous as hell.

-We need an NRA counter campaign that refutes the claims in the above email.
-We need an unbiased poll through the Cato Institute or Reason Media.

 

[hso]

I did as well.

I also made a blistering reference to the lie it represents.

 

[CmdrSlander]

I did as well.

I also made a blistering reference to the lie it represents.

did you make a thread about it?

 

[CmdrSlander]

ahem... ahem... this is big deal folks... ahem

 

[The-Reaver]

One step at a time. Eventually all will be confiscated. Typical government crap.

 

[InkEd]

They don't care wat you own because they will know about it and confiscate it! This is not paranoia but a thinly veiled reality.

 

[FourTeeFive]

Great statistics. I'm guessing they were pulled from a deep, dark place...

 

[trueg50]

Dont trust it one bit, the fine print will be the killer.

Like the proposed legislation for a Conceal carry permit in VT that requires a course in first aid, safe gun handling, "resurvival" and a bow hunters safety course.. wait what, Bow hunters safety?!

 

[CmdrSlander]

Great statistics. I'm guessing they were pulled from a deep, dark place...

It attributes them to "Republican Pollster Frank Luntz"

see, he's one of us! Let's all go turn in our guns!!

As an aside... that quote in your sig 'is not something Jefferson wrote, but rather comes from a passage he included in his "Legal Commonplace Book." The passage is from Cesare Beccaria's Essay on Crimes and Punishments.'

He just annotated it but some people though it was his writing.

 

[CmdrSlander]

It is worth noting that Republican pollster Frank Luntz is scum:

In 1997, the American Association for Public Opinion Research, of which Luntz was not a member, criticized Luntz for refusing to release poll data to support his claimed results "because of client confidentiality". Diane Colasanto, who was president of the AAPOR at the time, said
“ It is simply wanting to know, How many people did you question? What were the questions? We understand the need for confidentiality, but once a pollster makes results public, the information needs to be public. People need to be able to evaluate whether it was sound research.[23] ”
In 2000 he was censured by the National Council on Public Polls "for allegedly mischaracterizing on MSNBC the results of focus groups he conducted during the [2000] Republican Convention." In September 2004, MSNBC dropped Luntz from its planned coverage of that year's presidential debate, following a letter from Media Matters that outlined Luntz's GOP ties and questionable polling methodology.[24][25]
Luntz was awarded the 2010 PolitiFact Lie of the Year award for his promotion of the phrase 'government takeover' to refer to healthcare reform, starting in the spring of 2009. "'Takeovers are like coups,' Luntz wrote in a 28-page memo. 'They both lead to dictators and a loss of freedom.'"[26] In an editorial response, the Wall Street Journal wrote that "PolitiFact's decree is part of a larger journalistic trend that seeks to recast all political debates as matters of lies, misinformation and 'facts,' rather than differences of world view or principles." The editors of PolitiFact announced "We have concluded it is inaccurate to call the plan a government takeover." [27]

 

[mokin]

I am starting to think that maybe the big push at the federal level will be for universal background checks while letting the states fight it out over what gets registered and what sort of magazines they are allowed to accept.

Be sure to engage at the state level!

 

[browneu]

Here's my statistic.

100% of Americans support putting criminals and gangs behind bars.

Get rid of the criminal and get rid gun violence.

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[CmdrSlander]

Here's my statistic.

100% of Americans support putting criminals and gangs behind bars.

Get rid of the criminal and get rid gun violence.

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I would say at least 0.5% of Americans are members of criminal gangs...

They would be opposed.

 

[JohnnyK]

3 types of lies... lies, damn lies, and obama statistics.

 

[Airborne Falcon]

Yeah, the Universal Background checks are how they are going to come at this thing ... for now. They may even get it.

It's all a dog and pony show - smoke and mirrors. They are up to something else, just can't seem to put a finger on it at the moment.

 

[mnrivrat]

I would say at least 0.5% of Americans are members of criminal gangs...

They would be opposed.

The poll has a margin of error of + or - .05% so still valid

 

[OpelBlitz]

Here's my statistic.

100% of Americans support putting criminals and gangs behind bars.

Get rid of the criminal and get rid gun violence.

Not 100% of Americans. You're forgetting about most of Illinois government and the City of Chicago.

 

[CmdrSlander]

Not 100% of Americans. You're forgetting about most of Illinois government and the City of Chicago.

Most of the governments of New York, New Jersey, Connecticut, and to a certain extent Maryland...

 

[OpelBlitz]

Most of the governments of New York, New Jersey, Connecticut, and too a certain extent Maryland...

Amen to that.

 

[ball3006]

Time to print up a batch of receipts pre dated whenever this law may be passed for each gun you have....chris3

 

[4v50 Gary]

What did Propaganda Minister Joseph Goebbels say about lies? Seems to me our Dear Leader learned from him.

 

[Solo]

Well, if they want them so bad, maybe we can get an actual compromise going. How about opening up that machine gun registry?

 

[danez71]

Here's my statistic.

100% of Americans support putting criminals and gangs behind bars.

Get rid of the criminal and get rid gun violence.

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Not 100% of Americans. You're forgetting about most of Illinois government and the City of Chicago.

Most of the governments of New York, New Jersey, Connecticut, and to a certain extent Maryland...

Dont forget about CA. They're talking about bans that are worse than NY.


But I must make a correction. While they might be citizens, they are NOT Americans.


All of us need to get others to realize that attacking the 2A is attacking the Constitution.


Just like killing Americans with Drones with no proof of being a terrorist.

The Patriot Act undermining wire tapping, search and seizure laws.

The list goes on.


Q: If all of these things are good... why have taxes consistantly gone up and the quality of life gone down for most Americans?

A: Because all it has done is give the Government more power and weakened the Constitution which was created for the good of the people.

 

[JRH6856]

Well, if they want them so bad, maybe we can get an actual compromise going. How about opening up that machine gun registry?

Does anyone really think they would open up the registry and allow more access to the very type of firearm they claim they are trying to ban?

 

[Solo]

But we willhave universal background checks, so criminals and the mentally ill will never be able to get them!