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Emergency Declared After Anti-Nazi Riots

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  1. mustanger98

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    [I don't know whether this is the right forum for this one or not.]

    By JOHN SEEWER, Associated Press Writer
    1 hour, 40 minutes ago

    TOLEDO, Ohio - A crowd protesting a white supremacists' march Saturday turned violent, throwing baseball-sized rocks at police, vandalizing vehicles and stores, and setting fire to a neighborhood bar, authorities said.

    When Mayor Jack Ford and a local minister tried to calm the rioting, they were cursed for allowing the march, and Ford said a masked gang member threatened to shoot him.

    At least 65 people were arrested and several police officers were injured before calm was restored about four hours later.

    Ford blamed the rioting on gangs taking advantage of a volatile situation. He declared a state of emergency, set an 8 p.m. curfew through the weekend, and asked the Highway Patrol for help.

    "It's exactly what they wanted," Ford said of the group that planned the march, which was canceled because of the rioting.

    At least two dozen members of the National Socialist Movement, which calls itself "America's Nazi Party," had gathered at a city park to march under police protection. Organizers said they were demonstrating against black gangs they said were harassing white residents.

    The violence broke out about one-quarter of a mile away along the planned march route shortly before it was to begin. One group of men pounded on a convenience store, and others overturned vehicles. There was a report of a shooting but police hadn't found a victim, Police Chief Mike Navarre said.

    About 150 police officers chased bands of young men through the area. Officers wearing gas masks fired tear gas canisters and flash-bang devices designed to stun suspects, but the groups continued throwing rocks and bottles. Several officers and firefighters suffered minor injuries, Navarre said. At one point, the crowd reached 600 people, officials said.

    Finally, police marched shoulder-to-shoulder down the street shouting to people to stay inside, and the crowd of several hundred broke up.

    At least 65 people were arrested on charges including assault, vandalism, failure to obey police and failure to disperse, Navarre said. He said the white supremacists had left hours earlier.

    "We frankly could have made a couple hundred arrests easily," Navarre said. "We just didn't have the resources on hand to arrest all of them."

    The mayor had appealed to residents the night before to ignore the march. He said the city wouldn't give the Nazi group a permit to march in the streets but couldn't stop them from walking on the sidewalks.

    When the rioting began, Ford tried to negotiate with those involved, but "they weren't interested in that." He said people in the crowd swore at him and wanted to know why he was protecting the Nazis.

    They were mostly "gang members who had real or imagined grievances and took it as an opportunity to speak in their own way," Ford said.

    "I was chagrined that there were obvious mothers and children in the crowd with them," he said.

    Thomas Frisch, 76, said a large group of men destroyed the exterior of a gas station next to his home of 30 years.

    "A whole big gang started to come in here. Next thing you know, they're jumping on the car. Then they overturned it. Then they started on the building, breaking windows, ripping the bars off," he said.

    Louis Ratajski, 86, and his nephew, Terry Rybczynski, left Jim & Lou's Bar as a crowd gathered in front pelting police with rocks and breaking the windows. They climbed down a fire escape from the apartment where Ratajski lived over the bar and only later saw the fire on television.

    "I was shaking. I feared for my life." Rybczynski said.

    Keith White, a black resident, criticized city officials for allowing the march in the first place.

    "They let them come here and expect this not to happen?" said White, 29.

    A spokesman for the National Socialist Movement blamed police for losing control of the situation.
     
  2. Delmar

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    "They were mostly "gang members who had real or imagined grievances and took it as an opportunity to speak in their own way," Ford said."

    Gee, I guess the mayor better go down and give them all a "time out":rolleyes:
     
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    There are times when nothing less than a twelve-bore will suffice.
     
  4. Alex45ACP

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    Animals. :fire:

    Everyone has the right to protest no matter how disgusting their views are.
     
  5. Lupinus

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    they were animal's. Many in inner cities are animals I dont care if you are black, white, gray, green, or yellow with purple polka dot's.

    If anything images liek that make more peopel go to the side of racisim. Not agianst it.
     
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    I may not agree with their views, but they have as much right to march as we or anybody else does!!
     
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    Reports from several sources say the Nazis were marching to call attention to the problem of black gangs that were threatening white neighborhoods. Now I don't have any more time for Neo Nazis than I have for gangsters of any color but, apparently from what we see today, they have a valid point.

    On a related topic, I watched video of an ambulance being pummelled with rocks as it tried to "carefully back out of the area. It was a big box rig on an international truck chassis. The windshield was being targeted and heavily damaged by massive numbers of gang members wearing "colors." Would anyone here have a problem with the ambulance driver using his rig as a weapon against these people who were acting in a manner likely to cause serious bodily injury of death to him. I'm thinking put it in drive and head through the gangsters. It's kinda hard to throw a rock with any accuracy when you are running from a five ton machine chasing you down.

    Or am I missing something?
     
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    The complete lack of response by law enforecement is why these things happen. But I don't blame law enforement for that. Their hands are tied. They can't give the resonse that is needed.
     
  9. 45acpSHOOTER

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    The Black gangs did a better job at bringing attention to the "problem" than the Nazi's march would have.
     
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    Joliet Jake Blues
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    Actually they were from virginia if I heard correctly o nteh news
     
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    If calm was restored four hours later why declare a state of emergency? Doesn't add up.
     
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    maybe to make sure it stays that way?
     
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    I am sorry, but black America needs to pull their heads out of their butts and stop giving everyone fuel for the fire. I mean, how stupid can you be? "The Nazi's are coming to our neighborhood, so lets trash our neighborhood to show them we don't want them here. I know it is probably mainly a socioeconomic issue, but it sure is hard to stick to the High Road and only focus on economics and not skin color when the vast majority of rioters are black. We need strong black leaders to come out and denounce these actions. They need to come out and say, "The Nazi's have every right to walk down these streets. That does not give us the right to destroy property and assault police officers. Frankly I am ashamed of the way my fellow black American's acted today and they should be ashamed of themselves. They played right into the Nazi's hands." I won't hold my breath on that one.
     
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    If ya have to explain it, it just isn't as funny :(
     
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    It must be nice when a group that you oposse does everything they can to prove you right. I dont like Nazis, i just wish people would try harder to make it obvious that they are nuts.
     
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    What's going to be the first thing people remember about this incident? The Nazis or the gang riots? My guess is the riots by poor, inner city blacks.
     
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    So let me get this straight...

    A group of Nazis decides to have a parade and say bad stuff about <insert minority>. Normally, this is below "cute puppies" in terms of newsworthyness.... but...

    Rather than simply ignore them, a group of black people gets together to have a riot with looting?!?!?! Now, not only does the parade get on the news, but the message of the Nazis probably seems reasonable and calm headed compared to the rioting.

    Geniuses.
     
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    Beyond the LE aspect I suspect their is much deeper root cause for this riot. A growing dis-satisfaction among the black community (Katrina?), maybe a repeat of the 60's?
     
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    Maybe they felt left out after the NO looting and wanted to get their hand in.

    Why the state of emergency? To demand federal dollars!
     
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    To allow imposition of a curfew and generally enable LE to do what is necessary to maintain order.
     
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    Awwwwww, isn't that cute!

    You protest because of a deeper root cause.

    You riot because you are a low class, criminal thug, who sees an opportunity to act like an idiot, and you lack the self control and respect for others to resist the urge to act like an animal.

    Let's not start making excuses for the thugs.
     
  23. TrapdoorBilly

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    Meaning? You make it sound like their was some type of plot against blacks in NO.
     
  24. Uncle Doj

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    Ditto Beerslurpy,
    When the Nazis are the sanest group in town then you're in a bloody awful place. Talk about shooting yourself in the foot!:banghead:
     
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    In other news Neo-Nazi membership soars after blacks riot.


    Human garbage just looking for an excuse to riot and cause mayhem. If a black leader were down there doing a protest march there would still be rioting going on, just for a different reason.

    The Nazis being there is just an excuse for their animal like behavior. Another chapter in "Everyone else is responsible for my actions."
     
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