Employer violation of FL law

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The following is from the NRA-ILA website detailing FL carry law:

"Employers may not prohibit their employees who are properly licensed under Florida law to carry a handgun, from storing any legally owned firearm inside a locked, privately-owned motor vehicle that is lawfully present in a parking lot maintained by the employer."

My previous job here in FL forbade its employees from keeping a gun in their car in the employee parking lot, and stated they reserved the right to search your vehicle. If they found the gun they would fire you.

Since that would violate FL what recourse would an employee have?
 
Lawsuit, lost wages. If they put derogatory comment on paperwork then possibly some sort of defamation of character. It would not be a wise move on either part to go after that situation as a renewed employment settlement.
 
There ARE exceptions. One of the biggest being if you work at a power plant, especially a nuclear one. That falls under Homeland Security.
 
Who's the employer?

Other notable exceptions are cruise ships and ports and the major "Attractions", especially Disney.
Ports and cruise ships, like power plants, fall under HS; Disney wanted the same exception because they keep huge amounts of explosives (i.e. fireworks) and they claim that could pose a threat if armed terrorists, blah, blah, blah. Disney has always been VERY antigun and one of the many reasons I refuse to ever go there.

And they will all claim the right to inspect your vehicle if they suspect illegal activities or guns are in your vehicle.
 
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Florida is an at-will work state, meaning that the employer can terminate employment without notice and without reason (unless the employee is part of a specific protected class of worker). Given this, I would expect that the employer's response to any pushback against the corporate policy could / would involve termination. I would then expect that the terminated employee would have to sue the former employer and assert that the termination was due specifically to an illegal action on the part of the employer.
 
Besides all that, how would the employer ever know if a person had a gun inside their locked vehicle in the parking lot? Only way I can think of is if the person did something stupid like handle the gun while in the parking lot or something like that.
 
Without gun in car why don`t you point out the relevant Florida laws and ask for clarification from someone who really understands company policy. Ask why they are the exception to these laws. The simply and easy way to do this.
 
Here is the law:

The 2018 Florida Statutes
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Title XLVI
CRIMES Chapter 790
WEAPONS AND FIREARMS View Entire Chapter
1790.251 Protection of the right to keep and bear arms in motor vehicles for self-defense and other lawful purposes; prohibited acts; duty of public and private employers; immunity from liability; enforcement.—
(1) SHORT TITLE.—This section may be cited as the “Preservation and Protection of the Right to Keep and Bear Arms in Motor Vehicles Act of 2008.”
(2) DEFINITIONS.—As used in this section, the term:
(a) “Parking lot” means any property that is used for parking motor vehicles and is available to customers, employees, or invitees for temporary or long-term parking or storage of motor vehicles.
(b) “Motor vehicle” means any automobile, truck, minivan, sports utility vehicle, motor home, recreational vehicle, motorcycle, motor scooter, or any other vehicle operated on the roads of this state and required to be registered under state law.
(c) “Employee” means any person who possesses a valid license issued pursuant to s. 790.06 and:
1. Works for salary, wages, or other remuneration;
2. Is an independent contractor; or
3. Is a volunteer, intern, or other similar individual for an employer.
(d) “Employer” means any business that is a sole proprietorship, partnership, corporation, limited liability company, professional association, cooperative, joint venture, trust, firm, institution, or association, or public sector entity, that has employees.
(e) “Invitee” means any business invitee, including a customer or visitor, who is lawfully on the premises of a public or private employer.
As used in this section, the term “firearm” includes ammunition and accoutrements attendant to the lawful possession and use of a firearm.

(3) LEGISLATIVE INTENT; FINDINGS.—This act is intended to codify the long-standing legislative policy of the state that individual citizens have a constitutional right to keep and bear arms, that they have a constitutional right to possess and keep legally owned firearms within their motor vehicles for self-defense and other lawful purposes, and that these rights are not abrogated by virtue of a citizen becoming a customer, employee, or invitee of a business entity. It is the finding of the Legislature that a citizen’s lawful possession, transportation, and secure keeping of firearms and ammunition within his or her motor vehicle is essential to the exercise of the fundamental constitutional right to keep and bear arms and the constitutional right of self-defense. The Legislature finds that protecting and preserving these rights is essential to the exercise of freedom and individual responsibility. The Legislature further finds that no citizen can or should be required to waive or abrogate his or her right to possess and securely keep firearms and ammunition locked within his or her motor vehicle by virtue of becoming a customer, employee, or invitee of any employer or business establishment within the state, unless specifically required by state or federal law.
(4) PROHIBITED ACTS.—No public or private employer may violate the constitutional rights of any customer, employee, or invitee as provided in paragraphs (a)-(e):
(a) No public or private employer may prohibit any customer, employee, or invitee from possessing any legally owned firearm when such firearm is lawfully possessed and locked inside or locked to a private motor vehicle in a parking lot and when the customer, employee, or invitee is lawfully in such area.
(b) No public or private employer may violate the privacy rights of a customer, employee, or invitee by verbal or written inquiry regarding the presence of a firearm inside or locked to a private motor vehicle in a parking lot or by an actual search of a private motor vehicle in a parking lot to ascertain the presence of a firearm within the vehicle. Further, no public or private employer may take any action against a customer, employee, or invitee based upon verbal or written statements of any party concerning possession of a firearm stored inside a private motor vehicle in a parking lot for lawful purposes. A search of a private motor vehicle in the parking lot of a public or private employer to ascertain the presence of a firearm within the vehicle may only be conducted by on-duty law enforcement personnel, based upon due process and must comply with constitutional protections.
(c) No public or private employer shall condition employment upon either:
1. The fact that an employee or prospective employee holds or does not hold a license issued pursuant to s. 790.06; or
2. Any agreement by an employee or a prospective employee that prohibits an employee from keeping a legal firearm locked inside or locked to a private motor vehicle in a parking lot when such firearm is kept for lawful purposes.
(d) No public or private employer shall prohibit or attempt to prevent any customer, employee, or invitee from entering the parking lot of the employer’s place of business because the customer’s, employee’s, or invitee’s private motor vehicle contains a legal firearm being carried for lawful purposes, that is out of sight within the customer’s, employee’s, or invitee’s private motor vehicle.
(e) No public or private employer may terminate the employment of or otherwise discriminate against an employee, or expel a customer or invitee for exercising his or her constitutional right to keep and bear arms or for exercising the right of self-defense as long as a firearm is never exhibited on company property for any reason other than lawful defensive purposes.
This subsection applies to all public sector employers, including those already prohibited from regulating firearms under the provisions of s. 790.33.


(5) DUTY OF CARE OF PUBLIC AND PRIVATE EMPLOYERS; IMMUNITY FROM LIABILITY.—
(a) When subject to the provisions of subsection (4), a public or private employer has no duty of care related to the actions prohibited under such subsection.
(b) A public or private employer is not liable in a civil action based on actions or inactions taken in compliance with this section. The immunity provided in this subsection does not apply to civil actions based on actions or inactions of public or private employers that are unrelated to compliance with this section.
(c) Nothing contained in this section shall be interpreted to expand any existing duty, or create any additional duty, on the part of a public or private employer, property owner, or property owner’s agent.
(6) ENFORCEMENT.—The Attorney General shall enforce the protections of this act on behalf of any customer, employee, or invitee aggrieved under this act. If there is reasonable cause to believe that the aggrieved person’s rights under this act have been violated by a public or private employer, the Attorney General shall commence a civil or administrative action for damages, injunctive relief and civil penalties, and such other relief as may be appropriate under the provisions of s. 760.51, or may negotiate a settlement with any employer on behalf of any person aggrieved under the act. However, nothing in this act shall prohibit the right of a person aggrieved under this act to bring a civil action for violation of rights protected under the act. In any successful action brought by a customer, employee, or invitee aggrieved under this act, the court shall award all reasonable personal costs and losses suffered by the aggrieved person as a result of the violation of rights under this act. In any action brought pursuant to this act, the court shall award all court costs and attorney’s fees to the prevailing party.
(7) EXCEPTIONS.—The prohibitions in subsection (4) do not apply to:
(a) Any school property as defined and regulated under s. 790.115.
(b) Any correctional institution regulated under s. 944.47 or chapter 957.
(c) Any property where a nuclear-powered electricity generation facility is located.
(d) Property owned or leased by a public or private employer or the landlord of a public or private employer upon which are conducted substantial activities involving national defense, aerospace, or homeland security.
(e) Property owned or leased by a public or private employer or the landlord of a public or private employer upon which the primary business conducted is the manufacture, use, storage, or transportation of combustible or explosive materials regulated under state or federal law, or property owned or leased by an employer who has obtained a permit required under 18 U.S.C. s. 842 to engage in the business of importing, manufacturing, or dealing in explosive materials on such property.
(f) A motor vehicle owned, leased, or rented by a public or private employer or the landlord of a public or private employer.
(g) Any other property owned or leased by a public or private employer or the landlord of a public or private employer upon which possession of a firearm or other legal product by a customer, employee, or invitee is prohibited pursuant to any federal law, contract with a federal government entity, or general law of this state.

History.—s. 1, ch. 2008-7.
1Note.—Section 15, ch. 2011-119, provides that “[t]he amendments made to ss. 509.144 and 932.701, Florida Statutes, and the creation of s. 901.1503, Florida Statutes, by this act do not affect or impede the provisions of s. 790.251, Florida Statutes, or any other protection or right guaranteed by the Second Amendment to the United States Constitution.”

7E is Disney's attempt
 
I assisted a colleague in this exact matter last year. He and I work in EMS. My friend, also a gun enthusiast, had had a disagreement with another medic, one with a reputation for running to our HR office over pretty much anything. That's exactly what the other guy did, saying he "feared for his safety" because he believed "J" "keeps a gun in his truck" (he does.)

When "J" told me he was heading to a meeting with the chief and HR that he'd been summoned to, and that he'd been warned the gun thing was going to come up, I pulled up screenshots of the relevant statutes, and sent them to him with a summary of their meaning.

He reported back to me later that day that the screenshots stopped the meeting cold, and that the HR official there, who appeared stunned at the revelation, told him the relevant portion of the policy would be immediately re-written. He was very grateful.

Seriously, with all the hoopla the media made of the law's passing, there is no excusable reason any employer should be making this mistake, especially one as big as ours.

(In summary, the statute means that an "unprotected" employer* cannot prohibit such storage, cannot make any effort to determine if an employee has a firearm so stored, and cannot respond to or follow up on any report from any other person that an employee has a firearm so stored. Exceptions apply only in cases of suspected relevant criminal activity, and the investigation can only be carried out by law enforcement acting within the normal, constitutionally-limited, course of duty.)

* Examples of certain types of employers who can lawfully prohibit such storage based on "security concerns" are described in the statutes.
 
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George P writes:

In the statute, I do not see where nursing homes are a prohibited place

They're not. The only healthcare facilities that fall under the "prohibition protection" clause are any hospital operating primarily for the treatment of psychiatric illnesses, or the portion of any other hospital, that portion of which is so operating.
 
* Examples of certain types of employers who can lawfully prohibit such storage based on "security concerns" are described in the statutes.

And that is section 7E that I highlighted
 
Corporations are quite lawless and you can only have a master slave relationship with them. Fines are simply a cost of business, if they make more profit breaking the law, then they lose in fines, Corporations will break the law. Likely, if you have created a big enough fuss, they would have fired you, over something, for "cause". They know the cost of a lawsuit is beyond the means of their micro managed serfs, so, they can bone you in any way they want, and they know, you don't have the resources to go to court.
 
I have had to point out to several companies I have worked for that AL state law specifically allows firearm storage in a private vehicle. The vehicle is an extent of the home, and firearms are allowed to be stored in vehicles on company property. I had a security guard say he was going to "bust my window and rip my gun locker out from under my seat." This was at a large, multi billion dollar company with very anti gun attitudes. I told him he was welcome to try but he would either be deceased or arrested before the glass settled on the ground. He got fired for breaking into someone else's car to get a firearm.
 
Our company issued an addendum to the employee handbook last year to the effect that they couldn't (grudgingly) prohibit you from keeping one in your car, but any brandishing would result in immediate termination. This all came out after the owners (very anti-gun) found out one of their GM's kept a .50 Desert Eagle in his desk drawer......

Our dealership is in a rough part of town, but at least half of the employees keep at least a handgun and several shotguns and carbines in their vehicles at all times. Several of the mechanics may or may not keep one in their toolboxes either- I certainly wouldnt have any personal knowledge of that.

No one here cares enough about this company to ever let them search their car or toolbox without a warrant. The great thing about the car business is that other dealers are ALWAYS hiring.

Woe be unto any scumbag who wants to rob or shoot up our store.:cool:
 
Since that would violate FL what recourse would an employee have?
If it's like TX law, there is no penalty. However, you could sue to get your job back, plus damages and legal costs. Assuming you could prove why they fired you, the case would be a slam dunk given the circumstances.
 
If anything, once a person gets their job back due to a court ruling, their job is probably somewhat more secure than the average employee's. At least at any reasonable company that doesn't want to lose millions due to spinning a jury up by trying to undo a court ruling.

And as long as the person is reasonably careful to abide by lawful company policy after being reinstated.

Doesn't necessarily mean that their life at work would be fun though...

Of course that all hinges on the original case being clearly a matter of being fired over having a gun in your vehicle at work. If that can't be proven then there's no case at all.
 
I'm a bit confused as to why this is that much of an issue. Just ignore their rule and don't be stupid about where you handle the gun. The chances of there being a problem are infinitesimally small.
 
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