Energy fears looming, new survivalists prepare

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Energy fears looming, new survivalists prepare

By SAMANTHA GROSS, Associated Press Writer

"Convinced the planet's oil supply is dwindling and the world's economies are heading for a crash, some people around the country are moving onto homesteads, learning to live off their land, conserving fuel and, in some cases, stocking up on guns they expect to use to defend themselves and their supplies from desperate crowds of people who didn't prepare."
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http://green.yahoo.com/news/ap/20080524/ap_on_re_us/environmental_survivalists.html

An interesting article in that it's in the "Green" section of Yahoo! News. The author treats the subject of having firearms to defend oneself and one's family as a matter of course without resorting to any kind of sensationalism. I don't want this to turn into another "what caliber for the starving hordes/survival thread", I merely post this reference as evidence that some in the media are beginning to see that firearms are useful tools rather than "Evil Instruments O' Death".

I guess it's now "Green" and socially acceptable to stock up on firearms and ammunition as part of your preparedness plans. Too bad she didn't mention the fact that the very firearms these folks are most likely to find useful are the ones that the antis so desperately want to ban, semiauto clones of common military weapons. :scrutiny:

So can Peter Laskowski. Living in a woodsy area outside of Montpelier, Vt., the 57-year-old retiree has become the local constable and a deputy sheriff for his county, as well as an emergency medical technician.

"I decided there was nothing like getting the training myself to deal with insurrections, if that's a possibility," said the former executive recruiter.
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This guy sounds like a <gasp> militia member. Good show. At least the author doesn't make them sound like a bunch of crackpots. Kudoes to her.

(Can it be that this is really a story on the AP wire? Pinch me, I must be dreaming...)
 
I really wonder what would happen if all the oil suddenly went away?
I am old enough that I remember my Grand parents talking about the great depression and all the starving people.
I think the government will Nationalize all the remaining oil and divert it to the farms to produce food -Warding off the food riots [keep em fed and watered and they will live like the sheep they are ==!
Coal and solar power will fill the need for limited electric power -And maby the Enviro nuts will be swept from power and we will have nuke power again.
Bottom line =we have to reduce the Population of the earth Fundies Will have to Allow Birth control -every kid is another mouth sukking the oil nipple !The alternitive is overpopulation and massive war.
 
I am not ready to believe that we can not turn things around, but we all need to stock up because things will probably get worst before better.

The election in November is very important. :cool:
 
What's interesting to me is that if you buy into the man-made global warming/peak oil/environmentally friendly/green movement, you get treated as having some common sense. Maybe there's a lesson here that we can use to convert some of the fence sitters? Instead of saying things like "the 2nd Amendment isn't about hunting" we could also say "the 2nd Amendment is about saving the planet by being self sufficient"?
 
My brother was appalled to find out that the AR-15 he wanted for home defense/SHTF use was banned in Massachusetts where he currently resides. He now has plans to move to Vermont or New Hampshire specifically because of that.
 
If we'd just get our heads out of our butt and build some nukie plants, we would be way far ahead.
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Yeah and if my car could run on water...................:banghead:
 
Interesting, I wonder how they can afford to stock up on guns and ammo at todays prices or tomorrows.

jj
 
One interesting trend that seems to be happening around here is that there is downward pressure on the prices of rural property as gas prices climb. (My neighbor has had his house on the market now for 2+ years and it's dropped from $475k to $359k and I don't think he's had ANYONE interested enough to even make an offer)

We moved out here to boonies 5 years ago when gas was $2 a gallon and pretty quickly bought a VW TDI Diesel (50mpg) to make the 30 mile (one way) commute less expensive. Now with diesel at $4.59 as I type this it's still a godsend but we're feeling the pinch more than we were. I think people are going to find it harder to move to the boonies and keep their current jobs in the burbs . .
 
It would take the majority of the people years to just pay off their credit cards. Very few will ever be able to live the lifestyle they are talking about.

jj
 
Oil is a byproduct of the earth it will never run out.

Just like global warming. Look at it from this point. When the USSR started to fall global warming started to pick up. Now that 31,000 scientist are saying it is a hoax we are starting to ramp up OMG Oil shortages. This is just a way of keeping people scared to keep them in line.

How is it that Saudi Is pumping more oil than ever but fuel prices keep going up? This is just stupid.

We also have a never ending supply for free energy that we never tapped into. If solar pannels were made manditory for all new houses we would have so much electricity we would not know what to do with it all. Last time I looked the sun shined all the time in all parts of the world. Except for the polls where you get 6 months on and 6 off.
 
Being the hillbilly that I am...life would be better for me without all this junk (utility bills, cars, car insurance, health insurance, phone bills, etc.)
I lived the first 17 years of my life without electricity, phone, indoor plumbing, WalMart and all that stuff.

My Grandad kept me fed by hunting, trapping, fishing, milk straight from the cow, chicken that he just killed and cleaned himself, the same for beef, and a pretty good sized garden...I still do most of this...milk cows, kill chickens and beef, hunt, trap, fish and raise a garden.

Natural selection will have the final say.

I ain't skeered.
 
Seems odd that when things go bad man wants to get guns and ammo to shoot their neighbors. They want to kill those hungry hordes of Americans that come to their door. To me it would be more reasonable to shoot those who caused things to go bad. What those in power are doing is criminal and they know it. Guess I an alone on this.:banghead:

It isn't advocating violence it is advocating self protection.

jj
 
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Bottom line =we have to reduce the Population of the earth Fundies Will have to Allow Birth control -every kid is another mouth sukking the oil nipple !The alternitive is overpopulation and massive war.

+1...you hit the nail on the head.
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Let us know if any of you guys want to be the first to leave:D

jj
 
The founder of my church predicted the end of the world, and his initial followers sold all of their possessions, met with him on a hillside and waited for the Masiah. He didn't come.

It was 1841.

During my entire lifetime I have heard every lunatic plot, read just about every Mel Tappin article, studied Jeff Cooper--even watched Audie Murphy movies. I have learned one important fact of life.

There is always a disaster coming, it's always fatal, the world ends ten minutes later and it's due to the carefully crafted plans of the illuminati, The Trilateral Commission, or low fourth grade math scores.

I read the basically the same article in the Sunday Edition of our local WSJ, and I did the only prudent thing I could do.

I had a second cup of amaretto latte' and then took a motorcycle magazine into the bathroom...
 
Yep the bank failures and houseing prices was the fault of joe average, none of the big guys had a thing to do with that. All the jobs sent overseas were the fault of the American people. The falling dollar and the high intrest rate was because joe next door has a credit card he is being charged 32% on.

Yep it's got to be the fault of the American people, no one in government has taken responsibility.

jj
 
Oil ain't going anywhere. for everyone that pretends that oil is running out, theres another guy saying that oil is replenishing itself(fossil fuel is really a myth, there weren't that many damn dinosaurs around to make that much oil,lol. Its a naturally occurring resource).

Panic sells alot of things tho, so its mostly marketing.
 
fossil fuel is really a myth, there weren't that many damn dinosaurs around to make that much oil,lol. Its a naturally occurring resource
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Er... I've never heard, read, or seen anything to support that. Have any references? I'd be interested in knowing more about that theory.
 
Oil is now being pumped from strata so deep that it never supported plants and animals. The "fossil "fuel" theory is losing support quickly.
 
If oil production and/or distribution comes to a halt the only thing "green" that people will be worrying about is SOYLENT GREEN.
 
"Have you tried that new Soylent Cola?"
"Yeah, why?"
"How was it?"

...

"Eh, it varies from person to person."
 
fossil fuel is really a myth
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I have no supporting data, but this is always something I've wondered about.

I mean, when a dinosaur dies, minerals are leached into their bones to become fossils--which is rock. You line a fire pit with rocks and they don't "catch fire."

And as an archaeologist digs out a site, why isn't there some form of "goo" still residing around the fossil?

Here's another thing I wonder about. The upper echelon of oil companies have families that consume food and resources, and to my knowledge, they're not building bomb shelters.

I believe that when we really do use up this "black liquid" on which we run our cars, then magically there will be a discovery of "blue liquid," which works just as well, and is strangely owned by the same people.
 
as far as oil running out there is a bio-tech company that has engineered a bacteria that eats bio-mass and expells oil. they hope to produce 5million barrels a day in just 5 years. http://www.gizmag.com/go/7723/ not the link I was looking for but gives evidence to the story. I will try to find it again
 
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