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England really is a police state

Discussion in 'Legal' started by atek3, Nov 27, 2004.

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  1. atek3

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    http://www.lewrockwell.com/spectator2/spec517.html


    ‘You’ve committed an offence, mate,’ said the policeman, ‘and you’d better get used to the fact that you’re going down for six months.’ Nicky Samengo-Turner on the nightmare he endured after being stopped for a random security search




    the UK. 'nuff said.

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  2. Zedicus

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    Currently a common an Under documented Occurrence, that I have mentioned many times. :barf:
     
  3. Justin

    Justin Moderator Emeritus

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    But Agricola said that it was legal to take rational measures for your own self protection in Great Britain.

    This is obviously a fabrication!
     
  4. AZRickD

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    I can't believe that AngriCola would misrepresent England to us...

    This harrumph sounds like it came directly from an "Avengers" re-run:
    How P.C.:
     
  5. tyme

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    I gather the article is a true account. If so, it's a rather strange piece of journalism; it reads like a joint effort of The Onion and Kafka.
     
  6. R.H. Lee

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    [Self edited so as not to take gratuitous potshots at the Brits.]
     
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  7. Justin

    Justin Moderator Emeritus

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    Satire has gone the way of the Dodo on account of it being pretty much indistinguishable from reality these days.
     
  8. Baba Louie

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    And do you think that cannot happen here? :uhoh:
    Lip off to a TSA guard as they fondle your female spousal unit while you put your shoes and belt back on at the airport, have your dog shot by the police as your kids watch while you're detained by the side of the road because you left your wallet on the roof of your car, etc.

    May we live in interesting times. :scrutiny: We do.
     
  9. Mr. Kook

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    In our country we can leave the airport and skip the fondling.

    We can also shoot back at the idiot cop who is shooting at us. (note to resident LEOs, I am referring to the corrupt and power tripping among you who are very very few and very very far in between, but nonetheless exist.)

    We have it a lot better than those in the UK.

    Now, I wonder what those idiot constables would have done if someone were transporting a fixed plate steak knife as part of a pic-nic.
     
  10. Faithless

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    Power tripping arsehole authority figures are universal.

    This is just another day in paradise.
     
  11. G36-UK

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    From what I can remember over here, we aren't allowed pepper spray or even those little collapsible batons. Even if you intend to use it for defense, the nutters over here consider it an offensive weapon.

    Seeing as we've got a few WMDs ourself, could you please liberate us? I mean, we aren't allowed defensive weapons like you have. We're neglected by our government!
     
  12. P95Carry

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    The saddest of sad things is this approach to ''offensive weapons'' as bad news across the board. No differentiation between good guys and bad guys and as we know - the bad guys will always be ''tooled up'' regardless.

    So poor ol' Joe Public there is obliged to have the ''stiff upper lip'' whilst being defenceless ... or risk being jailed because he happens to have a halfways decent Swiss army knife on his person.

    I knew things were bad five years ago when I was still a 'subject' there - it only however seems to get worse ... As I have said before, I am all but embarrassed to admit my heritage. Thank heaven I never got found with my M27 in sho rig! :p
     
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    Sounds like they have no right to refuse, or do they?
     
  14. Texian Pistolero

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    As Babe Ruth might have put it,

    "It's deja vu ("1984") all over again."

    Remember, the allegedly "free" Britons have NO "constitution,

    and NO "bill of rights".

    Currently the "Liberal" party is proposing,

    no trial by jury for "terrorists".

    Problem is,

    how do you define who is a "terrorist"?

    Meanwhile,

    happy homo east cost pediophile liberals look to the UK as a blueprint for the future.

    As the Babe said it well,

    "It's deja vu ("1984") all over again."
     
  15. homeka45

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    It's as if the nazis were never stopped across the channel :uhoh: !
     
  16. Zedicus

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    Well put!
     
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    Perhaps he should have said "NO" to any of the multiple queries for permission to search his vehicle. I'm not sure if it would have made a difference but, if I happen to be carrying a weapon of any kind in England and someone ASKS if they can search my belongings the answer is gonna be a big fat negatory. I wonder what would have happened then?
     
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    "Great" Britain's government and society is absolutely FUBAR!

    Nothing short of a revolution could change things over there.

    I strongly encourage those few million sane and decent Brits, who are fed up with all that monkey business and repressions, to seek political asyl asylum in the "red" states of the USA, Germany, Finland, Czech Republic, Austria or Switzerland.

    In Germany it is perfectly legal to carry (with the exceptions of public festivities and sports events) pen knives or K-Bar "assault" knives, or Fairbairn-Sykes daggers, or other fixed blade or folding-blade knives.

    George Orwell was absolutely right! EngSoc is alive and well. :cuss: :banghead: :barf: :barf: :barf:
     
  19. Chuck Jennings

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    There are a lot of Brits that are getting sick and tired of the ever creeping infringment of their rights. As in america there is a growing divide between the ruling elite class and the average person. Recently, when Ozzy subdued a burglar, there were many who completely agreed with what he did despite the fact that his actions have been outlawed by their "progressive" government. The reactions to this article. indicate that a backlash is coming.
     
  20. Cool Hand Luke 22:36

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    How do people stand to live under such a screwed up system.
     
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    Well its nice to see, after a short break following Cuchulainn's positive experience of the UK, the usual comments returning with such a vehemence, all from the same people. Of course, the vast prejudice is reinforced by the usual parade of ignorance and outright lies.

    Chuck would you like to tell us how Ozzy Osbournes actions have been "outlawed", since its clearly not mentioned in that article or by any other evidence - indeed, he was saluted by the Police, the media and pretty much everyone else.

    With regards to the veracity of the article:

    i) questions are not asked about the HIV status of a prisoner being booked in;

    ii) Charing Cross Police Station's cells do not have wooden benches;

    iii) "public order breach of the peace" is not an offence - the area was not in public (so no public order), and a breach of the peace allows Police to detain someone for the next Court if the breach is ongoing, or likely to restart if the person is released. That does not appear to be the case here, and so one would imagine if what he says is true, a payout for false imprisonment will be forthcoming.

    iv) all of the custody area is on CCTV, so if the serious allegations that this person has made - assault by the constable, the constable swearing at him - will be on tape and the solicitor would already have a copy;

    As for the whole issue with regards to stops and searches under the Terrorism Act, well thats one of the consequences of having had bombs going off for the past thirty-five years.
     
  22. Iain

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    Heh.

    The other day I was reading the thread on the guy who threatened a farmer with a gun. I noticed that the guy was charged with 'making terroristic threats'.

    Pretty sinister sounding charge, so I looked it up. I did my research and it turns out not to be as serious as it sounds. So instead of accusing you all of living in some 'police state', I learned something.

    Is there a lesson in that?
     
  23. oneshooter

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    England,and its citizens have got the legal system that they want,they voted for it and are apparently happy with it. I is not our place to change it form the outside,if THEY want it changed then THEY must do it themselves. Remember the outrage when the Brit newspapers tried to affect the last election. They have their system,let them live with it.If you don't like it.THEN STAY AWAY!!

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  24. The Real Hawkeye

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  25. Selfdfenz

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    oneshooter,

    Well Put.

    Sadly, a little more everyday our system is sliding the same direction. The current administartion is part of that change sadly. During my last two trips DFW airport this past Sat and the one previous I was singled out for wanding and patted down both times. The TSA guys were very cordial and I would not want their jobs.

    As a person that has lived an honest life I have never been patted down in my 50+ previous years on this planet. Now, with no supposition of crime or that I possessed something forbidden, (I already passed the metal detector) it has become common place that I can be searched? What gives?

    What is it about a slightly past middle aged, somewhat overweight, balding white guy that got me the "Treatment"? How long will it be till you or I get randomly selected for a free cavity search?

    Since I was on the "secure side" of the security sector I wonder what kind of threatment I would have gotten if I had said no to the pat-down? Bet it would have not been cordial. Then again, it's not like you can say no when you are there to pick up your child is it?

    I've been flying commercial 30+ years but it's getting to be rather an overly intrusive hassel. From my window on the world there is not a thing I can do to change it back to the friendlier skies of the past.

    S-
     
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