Entering the world of BP

Discussion in 'Blackpowder' started by NorthBorder, Apr 25, 2021.

  1. NorthBorder

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    A guy was selling TC .54 cal Hawken on line and not too far away. The pics looked nice so I met with him to take a look. He said he took it on trade a few years ago and never shot it and was taking up space in his safe. He was asking $300 for the Hawken and some powder and caps. We settled on $250. The bore was shiny, the wood looked really nice,the finish looks about 95%+, but some very minor surface rust is around the lock and on a screw on the top of the barrel. He threw in a CVA .54 cal Hunterbolt for free. I'm not sure how old the Hawken is but I don't see any lawyer drivel on the barrel.

    Now I gotta learn about black powder firearms. Never shot one before so this should be exciting. I just need to find some balls a patches.
     

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  2. Rustmangler

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    Welcome to the dark side. Good buy on those.
     
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  3. TheOutlawKid

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    Thats a good deal. Welcome to the addiction!
     
  4. arcticap

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    That's a beautiful rifle but it resembles a TC Renegade more than the TC Hawken.
     
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    Good start.

    Youll have a few more shortly.
     
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  6. gobsauce

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    I'll be honest, I was incredibly reluctant to get into black powder. And now? I like it more than smokeless.
     
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  7. robhof

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    Ebay is your friend for balls, bullets, patches flasks etc...I've got a T/C, a great American gun, unless specified on the barrel the twist is 1/48", standard even on many originals, shoots balls okay and slugs somewhat better. Once you have supplies, start with bore size charge" 54=54grains, increase by 5 to 10 grains till accuracy drops, usually 90 to 110, back down from where it dropped 5 to 10 grains and you have your guns preferred load, varies from gun to gun. Great deal and welcome to the Dark side.
     
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  8. TheOutlawKid

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    Yeah im pretty sure you are correct about it being a renegade instead of a Hawken
     
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    I'd tell you to turn back before it's too late, but it's too late.
     
  10. NorthBorder

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    I think you are right. It has a 26" barrel, 1" thick and a case hardened receiver. No brass on it.
     
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  11. Fyrstyk

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    The fever will take over. Before you know it you will have a flint lock. You can't go back from there.
     
  12. TheOutlawKid

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    As much as i love black powder and the older guns of yesteryear...i just cant go flintlock. Not that i dont like it...i just dont see myself having the dicipline and know how to get a spark every time. I know some guys are able to get them to shoot just as reliably as a cap lock gun and with no hangfire...i just feel overly intimidated by them. But to be able to keep shooting over and over with flints you knapped yourself would be an amazing feeling of accomplishment, especially if you made your own powder and cast your own projectiles.
     
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  13. Jackrabbit1957

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    Come on Outlaw, as ingenious as you are flinters should be a natural step. I love em, I do get the occasional fail to go bang but we all do so no big deal. Follow through is the real discipline, there's a lot happening right in front of your face and that slight delay from when the hammer drops to when the thing goes bang takes getting used to. Don't fear the rocklock, embrace it, you'll have lots of fun with it.
     
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    Couldn't have said it better than Jackrabbit1957. When I got my first flint lock (33 years ago) I felt the same way as The Outlaw Kid. But over time I somewhat mastered the whole flash-bang-follow thru thing and now I find I would rather shoot my flint locks than my cap guns. Especially now with caps being hard to find. I can always find a rock that will spark and set off my pan of powder. I think that is why the early frontiersmen were slow changing over to cap guns. As it was said " if God wanted us to shoot with caps, he would have sprinkled the ground with them".
     
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  15. NorthBorder

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    Now a few questions. My LGS has Hornady .530 and .535 diameter round ball and some TC round ball patches for .54 and .56 caliber. Which diameter ball should I get? I don't know the thickness of the patch if that is a concern.
    Forgot my other question for now.
    Thanks in advance and thanks for all your replies.
     
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    .10-.15 for the .530. Patch thickness is dependent on how barrel tightness ‘feels’ when seating the ball. I use Bore Butter and Crisco for lube.
     
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    I would start out with .530 and a pre-lubed .018 patch for starters. Track of the Wolf has hand-cast .530s in stock...I know because I just bought some.
     
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    An option is both locks and a flint vent that screws in place of the nipple drum.
     
  19. Jackrabbit1957

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    I use .018 canvas duck for patches, its real cheap at Wallyworld, a yard lasts a long time. .530 ball will do nicely.
     
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  20. Armored farmer

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    Pillow ticking or pocket drill makes good patches
     
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    I've got a few flinters but won't hunt with them again, worked an entire summer with one getting 100% firing rate and quick lock time, 1st day deer season and a nice doe wanders up, quitely as possible cocked and fired...pfffssst, deer still there, reprimed the pan and as I cocked for 2nd shot, nothing but tail flying away..Oh and gun discharged fine that evening!
     
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  22. Ugly Sauce

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    If black powder is the dark side, then flintlocks is the black hole in space. Here's what I think. Unless you have a high quality lock, the flintlock can be "frustrating". The locks that came on the TC's, Traditions, the Lymans, etc. were not "great" locks. That has convinced many that "we all do" get the occasional failure to fire.

    I would argue that with a high quality lock, and rifle/barrel/vent, that just is not true. I have an expensive Jeager, and it never fails to fire. Ever. Never has. My Brown Bess was not an expensive gun (at the time I bought it) but the lock, being a copy of a tried and true lock, goes bang every time. Now the mainspring on the Bess was a bit weak when I got it, so I won't say it's never failed to go bang. But I can count the times....that would be...two. Once when just working up loads, and I'd fired it many time, and it was getting really dirty. The other time was at an Appleseed shoot, and we were opening the shoot/ceremonies by shooting a Redcoat target with the Bess. About 100 people watching. You could hear a pin drop. I pulls the trigger. CLICK. No sparks. I quickly re-cocked the gun, shut the pan, and BOOM!

    When a flintlock gets dirty, from shooting on the range, target practice, yes even the my Jeager "could" !! fail to fire. But a clean gun, loaded right, cleaned right, will always go off. If it doesn't, the odds were about the same as your .30-06 not going off. Ever have failures to fire with a cartridge gun? I have, many times.

    So to be really happy with a flintlock, you have to put out some bucks. $$$ And, you have to learn the voodoo and magic. Not saying that some of the moderately priced flinters won't work well, some guys get them to work. But that never misfire, always-goes-off thing usually comes at a price. The safest bet, short of buying a custom made rifle, would be to get one of the reproduction muskets. They have locks copied from the originals, and will be very reliable. The other solution would be to get a rifle that Davis or someone makes "improved" locks for.

    Okay, just a thought. I could be wrong!

    O.P., I think these guys will steer you in the right direction. That Renegade is a nice looking gun. My only advice would be to sand/strip off that horrible (no offense) factory finish, and give it some stain and a nice oil finish. !! :)
     
  23. NorthBorder

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    [QUOTE="O.P., I think these guys will steer you in the right direction. That Renegade is a nice looking gun. My only advice would be to sand/strip off that horrible (no offense) factory finish, and give it some stain and a nice oil finish. !! :)[/QUOTE]

    You have a valid point. Actually, I have been toying with the idea of giving it a Lichtenberg burn and stain. lichtenberg.jpg
    FYI, this is just an example I found.
     
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  24. Rustmangler

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    Wow cool stock. Be very careful with the Lichtenberg wood burning. I do it and know of two people that have died!
    I use 15,000 volts and it will jump six inches free air and kill you!
     
  25. NorthBorder

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    Yea. I've been zapped. Its definitely one of the more dangerous hobbies.
     
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