Entry Level Target Gun in 45 ACP

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  1. kidneyboy

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    I have been down this road. A couple of suggestions - Practice a lot. It's the indian, not the arrow. Holding the 9 ring (5.5") on a B-8 target at 25yards is a reasonable goal and should score enough points to get near the Master classification. Holding the 10 ring (3.3") is challenging. Try to find a Springfield Armory 1911 with adjustable sights. SA 1911s are a great base to build a bullseye competition pistol. You will have to use lighter recoil springs if you are making target loads. Finding a bullet that likes your barrel and a powder that likes that bullet will go a longer ways towards smaller groups than a ton of upgrades. Well, that and lots of practice.
    The reason I suggest Springfield 1911s is that they are usually well made, don't require proprietary parts to do upgrades and generally have decent triggers out of the box. Plus, the better 1911/22 conversions work on SA frames.
    2 upgrades worth doing down the road, a trigger job and fitted bushing, combined with LOTS of practice would be the next step. Match barrels are nice when you are searching for the Xring.
    Spend some time at the Bullseye-L forum. Lots of good insight there. It's easy to get stuck in the money trap of competition/bullseye pistols which, IMO, doesn't need to be done to be a good bullseye shooter. A decent trigger, sights that work for you and ammo the barrel likes and lots of practice goes a lot further than expensive pistols.
    If I haven't mentioned it - Practice a lot.
     
  2. DMW1116

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    I got to shoot a Springfield 1911 and see how it felt. It was only 10 yards and five shots but it was pretty far above what I’m used to in my 9mm service pistols. The sights weren’t adjustable either, but it just happened to be on for me. The lower group of five was my Shield 9mm. 5BBC2FEC-40D2-4241-BA21-0934DDE6939A.jpeg
     
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  3. JTQ

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    ... firing pin...
     
  4. Y-T71

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    It's my understanding that Springfield doesn't use a 'proprietary' firing pin only a lightweight one to pass drop test standards that some states (California) require.

    All the dimensions are standard, just a different material.
     
  5. JTQ

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    There are three normal firing pin sizes, the standard size for .45 Auto guns, the size for 9mm/38Super guns, though many makers use these for all their 1911's, and the size Springfield uses.

    https://www.brownells.com/handgun-parts/action-parts/firing-pin-parts/firing-pins/1911-firing-pin-prod26865.aspx?avs%7cMake_3=1911
     
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  6. Y-T71

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    Hmm...what do you know.
    Never heard of that.

    I knew about 9mm/.38 super being different from .45

    Thanks for the info!
     
  7. Rule3

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    First you need to decide what "platform" you want a 1911 or conventional da/sa or striker fired.

    Most decent brands will shoot better then the person buying them. You do not need adjustable sights, (just something to break or fiddle with) (advice form CZ custom when I bought one of their 9mm)

    Yes the SA XDm is a great gun, very accurate

    https://outdoorempire.com/best-45-acp-pistols-reviewed/
     
  8. JTQ

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    Regarding 1911's in general, not Springfield specific, "standard" is a pretty broad window.

    The old saying regarding 1911's is "there are no drop in parts on the 1911" is pretty accurate.
     
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  9. Y-T71

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    True, but I didn't realize that their firing pins were outside of even that broad "standard"
     
  10. DMW1116

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    Adjustable sights aren’t advisable on a target pistol?

    I’ve tried a 9mm XDM and liked it quite a bit. The XD series appears capable of the necessary accuracy.
     
  11. Mike OTDP

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    For a Bullseye gun? Check the used market. +1 for the Bullseye-L list, and add the Target Talk BB. Ask around on both boards, you'll be surprised at what turns up for a new shooter.

    FWIW, if you don't have a good .22, that should be your priority. Get that nailed down first.

    Tip: A lot of people use dot sights. Partly because American-made adjustable sights are made with such wretchedly narrow rear sight notches. Take a file and open those up, and your groups will tighten considerably.
     
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    I had a Taurus that would hang awfully close to my Gold Cup but let my #2 grandson talk me out of it. Darn grandkids. I would have a lot more money if I didn't have any. :D Just kidding as I wouldn't trade a one f them off. I can't speak to the parts interchangability as I never had to do anything to it and my grandson hasn't either as I would know because he would have shown up asking for help with if he did. Gun problem, all the kids come to grandpa. It makes me feel good that they do. It just proves that some think geezers still know a thing or two. :thumbup:
     
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  13. DMW1116

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    I have a decent 22, a S&W Victory. With ammo it likes it will put multiple shots into a 1" circle at 25 yards. Even off a rest I still pull one now and then, but that's not the guns fault. As stated above, I've not done a proper ammo test with it at 25 yards to see what it likes. I tried at 10 yards but couldn't tell any difference. I'm close to being able to keep all my shots in the aiming black at 25 yards with the 22. I'm considerably further off with the centerfires I've tried. IMG_0828[1].JPG

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    You could possibly find a used 625 for under 1K but you better hurry. Discontinued I hear. I have one and a Colt Gold Cup. I prefer shooting my GC.

    I know the budget is $750 but I don't think that's realistic for a good target pistol. Colt or Springfield would be my entry level choice. If you look hard enough you could possibly find a Springfield RO within your budget. Colts won't be in your budget.
     
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  15. kidneyboy

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    Rather similar groups for 2 entirely different guns. Both favoring the left side of the targets may be a grip issue.
     
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    Both those were just after sighting in new red dot sights for the respective guns. The pasters are the original shots on the 9mm target.

    There is a grip issue as well. I was pushing shots right for a while and worked through that. Now I may have over compensated. When squeezing my hand and shadow firing without a gun I can see my hand pull left (lefty shooter) but haven’t figured out how to stop it.
     
  17. Madcap_Magician

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    Really the only choice you have in that price range for a dedicated adjustable-sight target gun in .45 ACP would be a budget RIA or SA 1911 target model or to use a fixed-sight polymer or 1911 model for target purposes, which is honestly also fine.

    The Sig 220 almost certainly cannot be had for that price, although at this point the budget RIA and SA 1911s would also likely be a bit of a hunt to find at that price.
     
  18. tarosean

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    A new unknown gun will not get you there.


    You practicing and matching your guns there preferred ammo
    if your truly looking for accuracy there is no budget!
     
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    Sig P220 would hang, but not a Glock or XD. MECHANICALLY, they will, but the trigger can't be made good enough.


    ↑ I've found most of that to be true. I have a 625 and had a 1911. A fellow would have to be PRETTY fast reloading the 625 and PRETTY slow reloading the 1911 for it to be true. It's not slow, though! (lot faster than speed loaders)


    I have an XD-45 Tactical. I like it and it's good, but the trigger's the limiting factor. It just doesn't have that crisp, surprise break than a 1911 trigger does.


    I had the CZ-97. It was a good, accurate gun, but needed the full power 230 gr. to feed reliably and was too big for my hand.

    SAR makes a couple of nice CZ-type 45s now. This would be a good option, and something you don't see every day:
    https://sarusa.com/product/k2/

    Reading a bit more, they're the same guns that used to be imported by EAA, but now there's a US-based SAR company that's doing it.

    I almost bought one, but went with the XD-45 Tactical instead. (SAR would probably be a bit more accurate in SA mode)


    In the end though, I think if your goal is target shooting, you'll end up with a 1911 sooner or later. I think you'll save money in the end if you just start with something like a Colt Gold Cup. Save your pennies, sell stuff you're no longer using or will no longer use once you get this. Heck, put one on layaway or charge it.
     
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    CZ 97 was discontinued Jan 22, so good luck finding one.
    Tanfoglio makes several 45 pistols.
     
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    Seriously though, 1911s. :cool:
     
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    This thread has me revisiting my former obsession with 1911 target pistols. Yesterday I picked up a Springfield Armory defender series 1911 for $550. It has fixed 3 dot sights, a decent trigger, the barrel is well fit to the bushing and it locks up tight. This, IME, is a good base for a target pistol and will be the this years winter project.
     
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    Dang it! That torques me. I didn’t go that far on that site. I’m editing my post to remove the link, and I hate editing my previous posts!:fire:

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  25. Buzznrose

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    The 1911 is probably a better target platform, but you can certainly make a Glock, XDm, or PPQ shoot small groups.

    If you had a G21/41, you can add the Timney trigger for excellent performance

    https://timneytriggers.com/alpha-competition-for-glock-large-frame/

    The RPR trigger is a great upgrade to the XDm and I’ve put several in but not as good as the Timney is for the Glock IMO:

    https://powderriverprecision.com/
     
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