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EOTech widely used by SWAT units

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  1. nathan

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    I noticed most of the SWAT teams in the recent Boston week of terror , most of the SWAT teams were using EOTech sighting systems in their M4s. Are they much better and robust than the Aimpoints?
    Other than that it was a showcase on what tactical gears US SWAT teams were using as the world watched on live TV. Pretty cool.
     
  2. N003k

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    Eh, I only have two optics for any of my guns. (And they're the only two I've ever had, so it's not because I think they're the best! hah)

    One is a reproduction Soviet PU Scope mounted on a Mosin Nagant. The other is an Eotech mounted on my CT PreBan-I AR15. After zeroing in the Eotech, I was comfortable and could easily and comfortably make rapid hits on an 8" gong with it at 100 yards, and it's definitely built tough.

    Not sure if it's any significantly better than an Aimpoint, but it's plenty good in its own right. And who knows, might just be as simple as better deals for PD's buying them in bulk.
     
  3. taliv

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    they are cheaper than aimpoints. they are unquestionably less robust.
     
  4. CSC_Saint

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    Having used both in austere places not of this country' EOTech are great to a point. The ones the military rocks has a nice kitty bitty dot in the center of the reticle for more precise aiming further out. Aim points is bigger but I've still nailed targets past 600m as well. The EOTech has a big shield that actually wraps around the sides and top of the glass portion, but it does take away from visibility while looking down the sights(peripheral). Taking off the shield not a good idea because I definitely broke the front glass on one shortly after removing the shield. But I did like the sight without it, just doesn't hold up rolling around on the ground with uncooperative insurgents. As for user ease, the EOTech adjusts with 1\3 MOA clicks whereas the Aim point uses 1\4 MOA adjustments. Not a big issue' just something to be aware of. As for one or the other, I likes em both, the torque screw on the mount that let's me hook it into my vest to ease the weight after carry it for hours on end at the low ready tips the scale in favor of the Aim point. But I would never turn down an EOTech if given one.:D
     
  5. Aiko492

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    the reticle is the most important aspect of an optic, cost is a secondary factor. Many special ops appear split on their use of the two which would exclude price.
     
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    the dept and/or the individual LE officers probably got a good deal on their Eotechs.
     
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    EoTechs make sense, because they play to the strength of the RDS system. Red dots are not precision optics. They're great because they are fast to acquire. The EoTech reticle is even faster than most others. When you bring a rifle up from low ready, it takes zero time to find it. It's just there.
     
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    Nathan,

    As someone who has used both (EOTech recreationally, and Aimpoints professionally), I can tell you that Aimpoints are tougher. The only place I consider the EOTechs better is in the reticle, and that's not really that important to me in a 1x optic.

    As Taliv has said, EOTechs are less expensive, which is why I think you see a lot of law enforcement and military units using them.

    As a frame of reference, I have an EOTech on XPS on one of my AR-15s. Since buying it, I have decided that I like Aimpoints better, but not so much better that I'd sell the EOTech just to spend a few hundred more on an Aimpoint.
     
  9. DMK

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    I have both.

    If the Aimpoint used the Eotech reticle, it would be pretty much perfect.
     
  10. CSC_Saint

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    ^^^^^^^^^
    What he said, Aimpoint with EOTech reticle=perfection(at least close to it) in a reflex sight.
     
  11. X-Rap

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    I think it has much more to do with the mission they are tasked with. The EOTech is very fast and precision accurate to at least 100yds.
    For the task of entry and the quick shots it requires and the extended range it is pretty much in a class by itself.
    I am no operator but have shot enough to believe that an EOTech from 0 to 100 yds is as fast a system as I have used.
    There is little question that there are more robust sights with better battery life but for the CQB/entry and short distances that the police work in it is a good unit.
     
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    Double Post
     
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    I own an Eotech because it was faster for me with my eyes. It also worked better for my eys. I like the 1 MOA dot because I use a maginfier and it is still 1 MOA. Great optic and a great price.
     
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    And a lot of SEALs use EOTechs as well. I don't think cost is a factor there.

    I always found the EOTechs big and bulky and the reticle early on was really weird, IMO. Clint Smith talked about rifles with TV sets on top of them in his carbine course. I still don't like them, but they seem to work very well for those who use them.
     
  15. X-Rap

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    I wish a real SEAL would speak up but I will speculate that many of them have multiple sight options that are mission specific or guns for that matter. It looks like the SEAL footage I have seen with EOTechs usually involves some sort of entry or CQB.
     
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    Ummm, news flash. That is exactly what they are designed to be used for.......They are most certainly not precision medium to long range optics.
     
  17. X-Rap

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    Really Sherlock
    Read post 11, I understand what they are good for but hearing it from a BTDT gives it a little more credibility.
     
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    #6 is the most likely answer when you see an entire department using them.
     
  19. Captains1911

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    I could not agree more.
     
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    i'm not in any way disparaging the SEALs, but they are just people too, each with their own opinions and they range from very little experience to a great deal of experience. asking one SEAL what they think is like asking the magic 8 ball and it shouldn't be taken as a representation of what the organization thinks.
     
  21. X-Rap

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    :rolleyes:There are people who by virtue of their occupation do know a little more than the public in general and while they are just people too in today's world there are probably a few SEALS who have little experience but they are exposed to a great deal of it as well as doctrine that has been developed over years or real combat. We all can have our opinions but it is always useful to hear how our speculation works out in the real world.
    If I want to buy an airplane I want the advise and opinion of a pilot who has flown the plane, preferably through some dark skies.
     
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    Our armorer bought the EOTech 512 because it used common AA batteries which he kept in stock.
     
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    Right, they are people too with a wide range of experience, but they also are funded with a lot of gear and have their choices of what to use. If the product was not sufficiently durable for their needs, I doubt you would see any of them with the product.

    There are SEALs that don't use them as well. That is why I noted that a lot of them use EOTechs, not that "the SEALs" use EOTechs.

    Well, I am not Sherlock, but there are a plethora of SEAL-authored books out now and EOTechs are described as being used in several of them...as is the fact that SEALs have a tremendous amount of gear and they do pick and choice rifles, calibers, setups, etc. based on mission specific needs (as per those same books). However, the nice thing about the EOTechs is a nice 1 MOA dot that does make for nicely precise aiming at distances well beyond CQB.

    And then there is this...
    http://kitup.military.com/2011/01/eotechs-new-combat-sight-for-seals.html
     
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    i'm just saying they're not a monolithic group. i know several of them and some of them like eotechs and some of them hate them.
     
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