Erie County Pistol permit upgrades

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stay away from lengthy response times- that would apply to your home. I'm from Onondaga and we have the same hoops.

I hope you have a job that forces you to transport large sums of cash and occasionally hold it over the weekend, cause that's the only way I've seen an unrestricted get issued.
 
Taking the big week-long (forget how many hours, but it was at least three a night for a week) NRA personal protection course really helps if you're in Oneida or Herkimer county, if that means anything.
 
I lived in NY many years ago.

My county did the same thing.

I do not think it is legal.

The pistol carry permit is a state issued document. The county can not modify it. When I was there they just stamped it with a stamp that said "to and from the range only",

I knew some cops who told me if I was cuaght carrying I would most likely be arrested, however, they have never heard of anyone prosecuted, as the county stamp ment nothing.

Good luck, it is a shame really.
 
yea the problem is they can be revoked at any time for any reason- says so right on em. I've heard that too Odd1 with regards to the legality of it- but lets be realistic- there isn't a good check and balance system when a seemingly small % of the population (namely us) makes noise about something the majority doesn't understand and has had demonized by popular media.
 
You are correct in that there is a patchwork of different regulations between NY counties. When I took my Handgun Self Defense class in August, the instructor who is based in Rochester told the class that some counties make it just about impossible to get a concealed carry permit while others make it very easy. He even said there's one county that sets up a table in malls and at public events and they hand out permit applications and they encourage concealed carry permits. It used to be almost impossible to get one in Broome County until we got a new County Judge who is quite open to them. I know several people who have already gotten them and I hope to receive mine any day now. I know Tioga County also gives them out quite regularly. I have a friend in Tioga County with one and he also wrote to Pennsylvania and got a CCW from there and he said he's now good in close to 20 states because of reciprocal agreements. It doesn't seem right that regardless of state law it's actually up to the personal prejudices of one judge in each county.
 
check with the clerk in the permits office in your county

that person will know what the process is
they will know if it is even worth the effort to try
(they know who, if any one, has been sucessful...they
know the judges too)

they may even give you some suggestions as to how to word
your request to change your restrictions that will work

they will be very helpful

cant hurt to ask
 
Today I picked up my Concealed Carry Permit. I seem to be one of many getting these in Broome County, NY after taking the Defensive Firearms Shooting Skills 101 class given by Rochester Personal Defense (http://www.safeinrochester.com/firearms.html). That and a new county judge have made it possible finally. Any New York person who would like to talk to the owner of RPD, David Jenkins, to discuss what to do in other NY counties can email Dave at [email protected]. He seemed quite knowledgeable about how things go in different counties as far as CCW. Good luck.
 
I live in Genesee cty.
Judge noonan is Usurping the law by making us renew our permits and then Arbitrary adding the hunting and sporting purposes clause..
I'm moving to KY when my wife gets out of college --And I cant wait,
My dad passed on last march and I had a biaccahhh Of a time putting his guns on my permit-was on another post!! needless to say I sent his guns to My bro In Alabama --Shortly there after he got a letter from NYgenesee cty sheriffs dept turn in your guns for destruction and your permit is revoked ---[he left the state without turning in his permit-] NY doesn't allow out of starters to have a NY permit--Godddddd i cant wait to leave this place !!!
 
I really wish NYS was a shall issue state. I'm about to apply in Erie also and I expect to get my permit restricted. I'm just going to move when I finish school.

Erie county is terrible.
 
I'm trying to issue in Erie county, I gotta ask you guys, do you have a hunter safety education course? I had mine, lost the card years ago, and don't have any old back tags to get new ones, so I have no proof of a hunter safety course, guess I gotta take it again if I'm gonna hunt next year. I know I'll be restricted for at least a few years, then hopefully I can get it lifted. What did you guys put for your reason to possess on property? I'm guessing personal protection, target shooting, and hunting. Well if I apply before I retake my hunter safety course I probably won't be able to use hunting as a reason.

God I hate Erie county, and pretty much NYS as a whole.
 
You have to have a piece of paper that says you took a pistol safety class. Its $60 at BGC. Put down target and hunting. Unless you have a really good reason to have one. Self defence isn't a good enough reason in their eyes. I have all my paper work filled out, ready to hand in to the pistol permit department. I'm not handing it in because I don't want to support their BS ways of restricting our rights.

I've had enough. You know what I'm doing? Moving. 2 weeks and I will be in Florida.
 
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Well being in college full time, and working full time kinda restrict me from moving, otherwise I would in a heartbeat! I'm getting my NYS Pistol Permit, one way or another... After that, I'll get my Florida permit since you can do it through the mail. That way I'll be legal to carry in 30 some odd states, NY permits are damn near worthless anywhere else. Any idea how often BGC has a safety class? And how long does it take?

Thanks a bunch ihatesnow!
 
MotoroilMcall

If you have not hunted and do not have proof of your hunting safety class all you have to do is call the DEC and tell them that you lost your card and they will send you a copy. I hunted when I was younger and then stopped hunting for about 20 years due to a hunting accident. I desided about 5 years ago that I was ready to start hunting again but had no old back tags or my card for the hunting safety class so I called the DEC and told them my story and they said I was still in the system and sent me a coppy within a week. Hope this helped.
 
I go to Buff State...

I gotta do some more legwork on this, but as of right now its crooked if you know what I mean. Plus I'm too busy to get through half this crap.
 
Every Monday, Wednesday, and most Saturdays the BGC has pistol permit safety courses... Guy I talked to said they are booked for the next 3 courses, something about a whacko we elected to office? Oh yeah... Him.

So looks like next week I'll be going in for it.
 
Longfoot:

Thanks for the great comments. I am glad you got the permit this fast!

For those of you in the Western NY area, there are a lot of training opportunities coming your way.

Utah Non Resident permit seminars

Defensive Pistol Skills 101 training

Permit upgrade training for Broome County and the surrounding areas.

And more!!

Visit the website at www.safeinrochester.com and you can see everything we do and how we do it.

Email me through the site if you have any questions?

Dave
 
Hi I live in Erie County too and am thinking about applying for a pistol permit. From anything I have seen so far, it seems to be completely up to the county judge reviewing your application as to what restrictions if any are applied. I have read that some judges will not issue permits without restrictions; maybe that is what happened?

I am looking at the 'sample' application now from http://www.erie.gov/depts/government/clerk/applications_permits_pistol.phtml and it seems to have questions that would 'imply' certain answers to be beneficial.....such as, are you an active dues paying member of a gun club. Do you have any prior weapons experience (hunting, military, etc). What provisions have you made to keep weapon secreted in your home or place of business. Are there children residding in your home. Explain when and where the weapon will be in your physical possession. Etc.

Under 'request for personal and/or business protection on pistol permit' it just asks 'reason for request in detail' and 'hours when permit will be carried for business or personal protection.

Maybe one or more of your character references didn't come through as expected? I think that's going to be my hardest step, coming up with four references in my area. It says your local pd may allow references outside your town I guess I'd have to check...I live in a small town.
 
Erie County pistol permit

Best advice that we can give:

Wait for one year after you have your permit and then apply to have the retrictions lifted.

All Lawful purposes. We have been told this is the best general reason if you do not have any other reasons.



We have classes for Erie County pistol permit as well as Utah CFP and Florida CCW.
 
Erie County Pistol permit w/restrictions...

I was given my permit back in May of 2007...hunt/target res.
In May of 2009 I applied for my restrictions to be lifted and was denied...My reasons for carry were that I was an auctioneer and carried alot of money at times, while making deposits and I also collect old cars and carried money for this as well. I was denied. I then found out in Erie County that most people who have applied in last five years have been granted their carry after having their permit for 5 years...So I have been waiting til May of 2012 to apply again! If not I will move out of Erie County to Niagara County!
 
I've been hearing for a while that carrying your firearm concealed "off hours" in NYS isn't that big of a deal if you have a "target and hunting" restriction.
Apparently the worst that can happen is, if you're caught, your permit can be revoked, which is actually quite unfortunate, because it's a permit to own the handguns as well, so you can lose the firearms themselves (although your long guns aren't in any peril).
I've been given "advice" from the guys at my shooting club that it's no big deal to carry off hours, that if you conceal skillfully no one will ever know, and if you're discovered, most cops will give you a pass unless their reason for checking you out was related to something blatantly criminal.
However, I'd rather not take that sort of risk. Why subject yourself to an officer's whim? Perhaps the vast majority of police feel that "Hey, this guy with the suspicious bulge in his clothes has a pistol permit, which requires a class and lots and lots of paperwork and background checking, so I'm sure he's a good guy" - but what about the one officer that feels that he has to follow the exact letter of every law, rule and regulation? Or perhaps worse yet, doesn't like the idea of non-LEO carrying, and decides to stick on a BS charge, like "disorderly conduct?"
 
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