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European-style mag release

Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by wQuay, Feb 10, 2008.

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  1. wQuay

    wQuay Member

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    Anyone have significant experience with these? Like em? Hate em? Any problems with accidental release of the mag? I'm thinking about getting a HK P7 PSP, and this is my only concern.
     
  2. Zak Smith

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    I don't prefer them, and they need specific practice for efficient mag changes. On the PSP, I'm willing to put up with it. On other handguns, not.
     
  3. Clean97GTI

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    It works, its just not as fast as the more American style we're used to. My Makarov has one and I'm good enough with it although I prefer the other style.
     
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    I have a P1 and a P5 Walther with heel mag. release.
    Not as speedy as a side mounted button but they won't accidently dump a magazine either.
     
  5. Storm

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    I had a European model P220 back in the 80's and early 90's with the heel mag release and was always lusting after an American model which I could never seem to find. Now that I have the American model I look back and the European model wasn't so bad. It just takes practice. I have several guns with heel releases and I don't really give it a lot of thought, I just do what I need to do with each gun, but, it can cause a slight hesitation early on.
     
  6. Yehen

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    In a PSP, I'd put up with it.
     
  7. 9mmepiphany

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    the PSP, assuming that you're refering to the one that protrudes rather than the flush one, is actually the easiest heel release to use...you press forward in a milking motion.

    i prefer the PSP mag release to the M8/13 release on the P7
     
  8. Moonclip

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    I like them for small concealment pistols. I've also heard the theory they are good for carry in cold weather with gloves on.
     
  9. Old Fuff

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    They sometimes tend to keep the magazine better positioned, and that's good, but they slow magazine changes. I carried a little .32 Colt pocket model for years and didn't have any problems - but I also didn't worry about super-fast magazine changes.

    As a practical matter I can see where circumstances might dictate that being able to make fast changes was important to law enforcement and the military, but much less so otherwise - especially in the case of pocket pistols. These days the Old Fuff is a far cry from being a one-man army or Internet commando. :uhoh:
     
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    They require a slightly different manual of arms for reloading, but in RW situations there isn't that much difference in time. In range situations they are definitely slower.

    If you haven't already figured it out and practiced, the key is to pull your spare mag FIRST and index it in your off hand. Then flick the release with your off hand thumb, stroke the front of the magazine base down with your index finger, and seat the new mag.

    Practice makes perfect and you will be surprised how quick you can be. And to repeat some of the posters above, easier with gloves in cold weather, and no accidental mag drops if your thumb rests on the button when gripping.
     
  11. ravencon

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    Being left handed I rather like the Euro style mag release. Sure they're a bit slower but unless its a competition gun it won't make much difference with sufficient practice.
     
  12. 9mmepiphany

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    my experience with the heel release, made adapting to the IDPA "tactical mag change" very easy
     
  13. sniper5

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    Thanks ravencon, I forgot to mention it's ambidextrous.
     
  14. rcmodel

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    I actually prefer them on pocket guns, and don't get all worked up about it on a full-size gun.

    I don't plan on taking on Atilla the Hun's hordes with a handgun, and would rather not bump a push-button and lose a mag, or have it partially unseated when I needed it really bad, really fast.

    They are a necessity in "combat games" target shooting, but in real life gunfights & wars?
    Not so much.

    [​IMG]
    rcmodel
     
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    like most everything from europe, the mag release tab s*cks big time.:eek::neener: (need a pising on the french smilie)
     
  16. slzy

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    i tap my p7 mag everytime i touch it,cause it seems to come loose. i do not have the flush mount,so it may not be a problem with the flush mount.
     
  17. PX15

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    FWIW:

    I just got my first HK P7 PSP...

    Don't worry about the mag release, just getcha' one... The PSP is an awesome firearm. Unbelievable accuracy.

    Here's the one I bought thru Neal at CDNN two weeks or so ago. (Grade A)

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    Best Wishes,

    JP
     
  18. 9mmepiphany

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    that's a real beauty. i think it looks better than my original one from the early 80s...of course i didn't pay that much for it either.

    i will say the the flush mount mag release is slicker, but it is a mite slower to use as you have to align your thumb with the cutout rather than just running it down the backstrap
     
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    I like the European mag release on carry pistols. It keeps things cleaner, sleeker. I don't carry a reload so that's not a concern of mine. I own several pistols so equiped and think highly of them all, including the mentioned P7 PSP, a Sig P232, Seecamp, Walther TPH, Makarov an American Arms PX22 and my special dollbaby Colt Woodsman Match Target. So you see this style mag release is far from unusal.
     
  20. alpha6164

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    I love my P7 PSP and carry it. For a carry weapon i actually prefer the Euro mag release. To give you an example, i also have the P7M8 but have stopped carrying it cause many times something has caught the side mag release and the mag has popped out. Not very comforting.


    I also have the same problem with my Kahr PM9. The mag release on the left side happens to be right where my right hand thumb normally resides. During double taps or rapid fire, i have hit it and dropped the mag. Not cool:)
     
  21. 9mmepiphany

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    if you shoot with both thumbs forward, you can avoid that and your shooting should inprove too
     
  22. gvass

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    "like most everything from europe, the mag release tab s*cks big time"

    European-stlye mag release? Like on the very-European P08?

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    Or American one, like on J. M. Browning (an American) designed Colt Hammerless?

    [​IMG]

    :evil:
     
  23. slzy

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    i surely would'nt let the magazne latch stand between you and a p7
     
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    I have a SIG P220 and a Walther P1 with the heel type releases. I like them OK because I usually am not involved in gunfighting and making tactical mag changes. YMMV
     
  25. 9mmepiphany

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    tactical mag changes aren't any slower with the heel release
     
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