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Ever ask your rifle what it "did" during the war?

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by Shrinkmd, Jan 6, 2006.

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  1. Shrinkmd

    Shrinkmd Member

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    That NY Times article about the silliness in Maine got me thinking about it. Ever look at your milsurp recievers dated 1930 whatever and the dinged up stock and wonder what its been through? Was it used to shoot anyone, how many original owners, did the other side capture it, etc? I doubt that the original owner could have ever imagined them sitting in our safes, going to the range, getting cleaned with Hoppe's Elite, benchrests...

    As far as Mosins go, I wonder if mine helped defeat the Germans, or did it take part in forced collectivism and the famines before the war. Or both? Or did some guard in Far East russia have it leaning against his guardpost for the whole war and it kept warm by the fire. Unlike the K31's there is obviously a much higher chance that reciever did "something" during the war, and there is no tag under the buttstock to write to anyone about it.

    Makes you wonder, eh?
     
  2. entropy

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    we wonder about that all the time over at www.russian-mosin-nagant.com ; I think my 1930 Tula M91/30 must have either been an inside guard duty rifle, or an Arms Room queen,because it is in impeccable shape, I've dinged it more handling it than it was prior to me buying it.

    My 1899 Izhevsk M91 with SA stamp, oh what tales it could tell! :) Probably served in at least two wars, and possibly as many as six! (Russo-Japanese, WWI, 1918 Finnish Wars of independence and subsequent Karelian campaigns, The Winter War, The Continuation War, and WWII.) She still can dish out decent accuracy 107 years later, though I shoot her sparingly, as befits her age and dignity.;)
     
  3. Rembrandt

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    My son brought this British made 1873 Martini back from Afghanistan last year, possibly one of the rifles used in the many battles for the Khyber Pass. If only guns could talk....found it in a local market in Kabul. Who knows how many Turks, British, Afghany's, Russians, Pakistany's were shot or used it.
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  4. Preacherman

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    Yes, and with all the Yugoslavian M48's, SKS's, etc. flooding into the USA, one does wonder how many of them participated in the recent unpleasantness there, and how many were used to massacre the innocent... Of course, the same could be said of many German WW2 weapons!
     
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    I have a 1942 MN 91/30 that from the looks of it may have a part of the Soviet infantry tactic of if the soldier with the gun falls the one without a rifle picks it up and continues the charge. It definately has been "at war". And I would not have it any other way. I think if it could talk it would speak volumes about war and peace.

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  6. carlrodd

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    i asked my sks if it had ever had a confirmed kill and i was told to f**k off.
     
  7. Working Man

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    Great Book

    That would make a great book.... a story told from the POV of an old war gun.
    What it has seen and done. Who has used it when and where.

    Any writers here want to take up that torch?
     
  8. Firehand

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    First milsurp I ever bought was a #4 Mk1 Enfield made in 1943. Can't tell condition at the end of the war as it had obviously been FTR'd, but there's a row of small, faint 'x' marks along the bottom edge of the stock; I think someone was keeping count.
     
  9. Rembrandt

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    Jimmy Stewart's movie "Winchester 73" was an attempt at following the life of the rifle through it's various owners.

    A historically accurate movie or book on a military firearm wouldn't make it in today's Hollywood....all violence and killing with no female lead roles or love stories for the chick flick audience.
     
  10. Zundfolge

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    I wonder where my VZ24 has been ... what its seen ... what battles (if any) its fought.

    Of course none of the numbers on mine match so parts of it have probably done more than others.
     
  11. dolanp

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    I think my K31 got kicked around by a bunch of hobnailed Swiss boots. :D
     
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    I wonder that all the time....

    I have a Sino-Soviet SKS that, by all indications, is a Vietnam war bringback, no import mark, fairly crude replacement stock........all matching though......chris3
     
  13. benEzra

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    My M39 is built on a 1905 M1891 receiver, still embossed with the czar's imperial crest, so it was likely in Finland when the Finns broke away; did it see action in Russian service 1905-1917? Once in Finn hands, it probably served in the Winter War and the Continuation War. Was rebarreled in 1942 at VKT and converted to M39 configuration, and appears to have seen lots of action after that, by the condition of the stock. At some point, it appears to have been carried by a Finn soldier with the initials "E.T.", since those initials are artistically scratched into the rear sight base underneath the sight. Possibly helped kick the Nazis out of Finland in 1944-45.

    Is there any way to track down the name of an individual Finnish soldier who was issued a particular rifle, by the rifle's serial number, i.e. does Finland even retain those records? I'd love to contact "E.T." or his surviving descendants and get the rifle's post-1942 stories.
     
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    My 1942 Winchester Garand has definetly put foot to ass for it's country.You can tell because the real badasses don't brag about it and my Winnie doesn't say a word:evil: .
     
  15. Roadkill

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    My possibly most "involved" gun is a 1917 DWM Gw98. It probably was used in WWI, has Weimar stamps from the 20's (street fighting, ect), 1930s era, has a S42 Mauser rebuild stampand the sights replaced, probably used in invasion of Poland and France, a friend was drafted in 1943, he told me they used the Gw98s for basic traing, then they were issued to civilians for home defense.

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    I've got a Garand, a 1942 Colt "U S property" 1911, and a nazi marked P-35 (hi-power) and I think about that every time I have one of them out.

    Rembrandt: That Martini is terrific. Makes me want to go watch ZULU again.
     
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    i have no milsurps so no tales there, but my fathers colt python was stolen in 86 and returned to us in 87 or 88. turned up in a drug bust and we got it back. i'd like to know what happened during its short life of crime.
     
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    When I did a serial number search on my CMP Garand it came back as being manufactured in 1943. Whenever I bring it to the range I always wonder what the rifle would tell me of it's history if it could talk. Who knows it might be stewing with history.
     
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    ewb45acp wrote:
    Or GUNGA DIN since it was A-Stan.:cool:
     
  20. chuckles

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    My 1861 Springfield just cries when I ask.:(
     
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    i'm not really curious if my yugo-wiped-clean k98 killed anyone. what i'd like to know is if the axis solder who was carrying it gave it up willingly.

    though the yugos wiped most everything off the action, it still has 's42/g' stamped on it, according to my research that makes its origin the Obendorf factory in 1935.
     
  22. Hardtarget

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    I have a 1903 A2, a K98, a 303 Enfield, and a .30 carbine. I've always wondered. If you only have one milsurp, you have to wonder where its been and what happened during those travels. Fun to think about...might not have been fun to be there!
    Mark.
     
  23. Trebor

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    I don't have to wonder about one of my rifles that much. My Finn 28/30 has shrapneal embedded in the stock. I don't think the previous user made out very well...
     
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    Kinda like my 1863 Springfield... :-(
     
  25. M.E.Eldridge

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    I've always wondered about mine. I've a 91/30 made in '43 at Izhevsk so I assume it was issued, wheteher it saw combat, who knows and its been re-arsenaled.
     
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