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Ever noticed anti-gun bias on Wikipedia?

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by iowajones, Jul 10, 2008.

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  1. iowajones

    iowajones Member

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    I just read this article that was linked from John Lott's website about censorship of views on Wikipedia that don't toe the line on global warming alarmism and I was wondering if anyone has noticed any anti-gun bias there. I use Wikipedia all the time to learn about different guns and calibers and other gun-related stuff and I must say that I personally have not noticed any bias, but I tend to read entries written by gun people about guns - not the entries about the brady campaign, IANSA, et al. Any examples of your edits being removed or similar outrages?

    Here's the article text from CBS news dot com:
     
  2. Solo Flyer

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    I've not noticed a Wiki gun bias but maybe I haven't been paying enough attention.;)
    Just read what I thought was a balanced article on Wyatt Earp recently.
    Whoever edits most recently shifts the dialogue.More sources have to be consulted for really serious research.
     
  3. Thernlund

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    I used to contribute heavily to Wikipedia in the area of firearms. I never saw any anti-gun bias. The only real problem was gamer kiddies trying to insert their favorite game into fireams articles. But never any anti.


    -T.
     
  4. RP88

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    type "gun control in the united states" in the search bar of wiki. You may be surprised.
     
  5. AStone

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    I find no bias on either topic by Wikipedia.
     
  6. Halo

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    I haven't noticed any bias. One thing I don't particularly like though is the fact that someone used my image of an expanded 9mm hollow point on the article about the Virginia Tech shooter. It says something like "...used a 9mm hollow point bullet such as this". But when you commit something to the public domain I guess that can happen.
     
  7. yhtomit

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    Depends :)

    I have not noticed much "anti-gun" sentiment on Wikipedia, at least in the articles about particular guns or manufacturers. In fact, I was just editing the one on Kahr Arms -- was there at first to try to divine (ha ha) the origin of the name Kahr, since the company was founded by Justin Moon, rather than anyone named Kahr. (Did not find the answer, either -- does anyone know?)

    In articles about "gun control" etc, I'd expect more of that stuff -- and do. But I find a lot more balance (and I don't mean sickly, tepid "some people say" schlock) on WP than I someones brace myself to find. Also, I edit when I have time and inclination; the quality on WP goes up, generally speaking, unless a particular article is part of on ongoing verbal battle.

    timothy
     
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    The global warming doesn't exist crowd is equally as credible as the holocaust deniers.

    That said, wikipedia is a great resource for technical info on firearms, and I have not actually noticed any sort of anti-gun bias on wikipedia. In fact, they are usually quite balanced, and remember reading an article on wiki that was disputing the claims that a handgun ban actually prevented murders.
     
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    hk g3 are you supporting global warming or denying the holocaust? Seems to me one has little in the way of substantative evidence while the other has very blatant evidence. Or was your intention to draw a parallel between those who don't believe what the government says and totalitarian dictatorships who would enslave their citizens?
    Please clarify your comment
     
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    Do you really think that the global warming doesnt exist (whatever you think the causes and the consequences may be) ?
     
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    (Steering the conversation back towards firearms ;))

    In my experience on Wikipedia, I've noticed more people towing our line than that of the antis. This probably has to do with the fact that there are more of us, and we seem to be more motivated. Of course, my perception is colored by the types of articles I'm likely to look at. I doubt many antis look at or edit articles on some of the more technical aspects of firearms.

    For a good example of what I'd consider a poorly written article, look at AK-47 Variants. It spends some time criticizing the Assault Weapons Ban. Now, I agree with what the article says, but it's not exactly encyclopedia-type writing (maybe I'll get around to editing that one sometime).
     
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    I firmly believe that this is not gun related.
     
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    My part of the globe warms every morning, and cools in the afternoon. It also tends to warm up through the sping into summer, and cool down through the fall into winter.
     
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    I believe that climate fluctuates over very long periods of time, and a one or two degree shift one way or the other over a century is not proof that man caused the shift nor that there is any need to do anything about it.

    There is also very good reason to be suspicious of at least some of the data being used. For one thing, urban areas are always slightly warmer than non-urban areas. More areas on the earth are becoming urbanized over time, which might well lead to recorded temperatures showing some increase over time solely from increased urbanization.
     
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    Global warming is the holocaust. Really off-topic and inflammatory. Way to go.

    The thing about Wikipedia is if there are errors and bias, the users can correct it. That's part of what makes Wikipedia unique.
     
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    One reason to be skeptical is not the science, which I am not qualified to judge, but because the people who push the hardest about it would want the same social policies even if it were not true.

    In other words, it's a convenient reason to push for higher energy prices and taxes and more regulation of the economy. The goal for many progressives is getting Americans out of their cars and houses and into public transportation and apartments, and allowing government to make many more decisions about what is produced and consumed.

    It also makes me uneasy to see advocates of global warming use arguments that they know are unreliable, such as using short term weather (hurricanes) as "proof" of global warming. When we had a bad hurricane season, that was presented as evidence of global warming. When we had a below average season, nothing was said. Climate and weather are different. I confronted one advocate about this and she said "well, the other side lies so we have to do the same to keep it even."

    A related reason is the claim that "the discussion is over" or that "there is no argument any more." That's not how science works. Science should always be open to the other point of view and to new evidence.

    And finally, I'm old enough that I was taught in college about the coming ice age, which would cause the wheat farms of the northern plains to freeze out and cause a huge drop in agricultural production.
     
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    Anyone that references Benny Peiser shows that they have at most an EXTREMELY LIMITED knowledge of global warming & it's politics.

    Benny Peiser, a PhD in a non-hard science (anthropology), argued that this abstract is one of 34 since 1991 that debunked the consensus on global climate change:

    If Benny Peiser truly believes that a pro-alternative energy paper debunks global warming then he has severe reading comprehension problems. This is just one of many rather ridiculous mistakes he's made.
     
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    As a side note, if an expert in the gun community wants to retain credibility he/she should be very careful as to what they say on global warming. I'm a big fan of Kopel but some of the experts he cites on this topic are the exact same people that said smoking doesn't cause cancer in the 80's. Experts should stick with what they know when claiming positions of authority. This is a critical lesson of credibility that way too many experts, including some of those that defend our rights, have not learned.
     
  20. Dravur

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    You mean, like Al Gore? I have seen several articles by Climatologists, including the owner of the Weather Channel who claim that is total bunk. Also, you cited a guy who also claimed that, sure, even if it is bunk, we are ramming this through because that is what we want.... no matter the cost.

    ummm, sounds like socialists who want power to me.
     
  21. jerkface11

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    Global warming doesn't exist. Temperatures have dropped over the last 10 years. We had one of the coldest winters on record last year. Global Warming is a religion Al Gore is it's Mohamed.
     
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    Anyhoo, back to Wikipedia...

    There's a member here that created the image showing a progression of states that moved from may issue to shall issue and WP keeps pulling it for various reasons. They claim copyright violations/lack of documentation/anything they can to get it removed. He started a thread here somewhere several months ago looking for references to dates when each state law changed.

    That's at least one blatant attempt to hide the pro-gun story...I'm sure there are others.

    ETA: Here's the thread: http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=359823
     
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    Wow. Lots of talk about global warming on a gun forum.:rolleyes:
     
  25. Ragnar Danneskjold

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    Not gun related, but you said it all. That is why I'm skeptical. Not because of the direct science(though the earth has actually cooled in the past 3 years), but because the people shouting about man made global warming are the same socialist big government deceptive statists who would want these same measures to control our lives anyways.
     
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