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Ever seen a worn-out Ruger MkII?

Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by MatthewVanitas, Sep 26, 2006.

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  1. MatthewVanitas

    MatthewVanitas Member

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    Out of curiousity, what does it take to render a Ruger MkII unusable through typical use?

    Not counting abuse (like the MkII submerged for several years, featured in their catalog), but just lots and lots of shooting.

    Presumably, you need to replace some springs, extractor, etc. from time to time, but has anyone seen a MkII with a shot-our bore, rattly bolt, etc?

    I'm thinking of spending a little cash to upgrade my MkII, and am just curious as to whether it's a 75-year gun, a 150-year gun, or what.

    -MV
     
  2. jlh26oo

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    Wow, so if it's a 150 year gun it's a go- but if it's going to fall apart in a mere 75 years, what's the point?


    I'm sure they'll last man. Anything that gives you can replace. Either that or your grandkids can just buy a new MkVI when it happens lol. But no, don't guess I've seen any with loose bolts, I guess you could eventually shoot out the barrel.
     
  3. MatthewVanitas

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    Just need to make sure I get my money's worth out of it (grin)...
     
  4. jlh26oo

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    lol understood. Upgrade away!
     
  5. denfoote

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    No, but I'm working on it!!
     
  6. Onmilo

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    I don't believe you can wear out the bore on a rimfire by shooting.
    You can bulge them and overclean them but they don't go bad from shooting.

    This applies to regular shooting guns, not a Match grade specific target rifle, gads those guys claim a bore of any caliber is worthless after 5000 shots.

    Ruger pistols are actually overbuilt for the caliber.
    Except for springs, one extractor, couple sets of broken grips, and a broken magazine catch I don't generally see them come in for repair.

    I have seen my fair share of the Ruger auto pistols come in to have me reassemble them after the owner field stripped them or completely diassembled them and couldn't get them back together.
     
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    Matthew, I've never seen one worn out before, but I'm interested now. Perhaps you'd like some help wearing it out? Then you can rebuild it...internal suppressor perhaps? :what:

    -Rob
     
  8. TimboKhan

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    Frankly, I don't care if any of my guns are "150 year guns". My future relatives can pound sand. They apparently couldn't be bothered to keep me alive with their fancy technology and nano-parts, so I could care less if they enjoy my fine array of .22's. I am only concerned about me, so I want all of my guns to become unreliable at the literal second of my death. I also plan on having incendiary charges rigged to any other valuables, so as to deprive them of having any of my cool stuff. That will teach them.

    Seriously though, a MkII should be a lifetime gun. Thinking it through, I just can't see how it could be anything but, especially considering good care. I have a .22 rifle that is probably 95 years old at this point that hasn't recieved a particularly large amount of TLC from it's previous, and it still functions and fires just fine, and I have a .38 thats probably close to 75 years old that works like brand new. If you are firing 100,000 rounds a year or something through it, it might be a different story, but given that that is fairly unlikely, the gun will outlast you by a large margin.
     
  9. Vern Humphrey

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    With normal use, I think it would be impossible to wear out a Ruger MKII in several lifetimes. As I recall, Charles Askins had a Colt Woodsman that he had put something like a quarter of a million rounds through, and he sent it to Colt to be checked out -- and they sent it back, saying no noticeable wear.
     
  10. ndh87

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    i mangaed to wear out the action on my marlin model 60, took about 8 or 10 years and probably somewhere in the neighborhood of 250,000 to 500,000 rounds(thats just a guess, i always used to shoot at least a 500 ct. brick every time i shot) the action wont feed a new round and jams, but if you load one at a time it is still dead accurate.
     
  11. MatthewVanitas

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    @ vern:

    And the Woodsman is a far more intricate and fragile piece of gear than the MkII, right? The tubular steel receiver seems pretty failsafe compared to the open designs.


    Wow, I just asked that same question on the rifle board. What specifically conked out on it? Did you just wear down some internal parts, or did you actually erode the receiver to unusability? Gut reaction, I'd imagine that something on your bolt is worn or burred, or perhaps your lifting lever if it's mainly a feeding problem. That's why I make sure to buy Marlins with the wire ejector, rather than the earlier ones where the ejector is carved into the feed throat. I've heard that the feed-throat solid ones eventually wear down.

    -MV
     
  12. El Tejon

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    When I was rangemaster of the Indiana University indoor range, the rifle & pistol team had two MKIs that we sent off to be refit. They were purchased circa 1978 and I sent them off in '91. Do not know the number of rounds.

    However, they were 2 of 10. Pistols came back like new.:)
     
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    wear out the action on my marlin model 60

    ndh87 probably just wore out the aluminum feed throat.

    I have owned Marlin M99 -- M60 auto rifles since 1965 and
    have had to replace feed throats on one that I wore
    out and one I bought used at a pawn shop. It takes
    thousands of rounds to wear one out, but once the
    hard chrome is worn through to the aluminum, the
    aluminum goes quickly. Also, on the early models the
    ejector was part of the feed throat and they get worn
    eventually. The newer production the ejector is a leg
    of the cartridge lifter spring (hard steel) and does not
    wear out.

    Marlin Service Division and Numrich Arms Gun Parts Corp.
    have the feed throats in stock. It's like getting a new gun
    for about ten bucks.
     
  14. Vern Humphrey

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    When I handle the Holy Grail, my 1938 Woodsman, and then pick up my Ruger MK II, the Ruger feels heavy as lead. It's much more robust than the Colt.

    I expect that if someone gave me all the ammo I could shoot, and I tried to wear that Ruger out, my finger would fall off before the gun gave out.
     
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    Oh, I have only been shooting my MkII since the mid 1980s
    and after twenty thousand rounds there appears to be some
    polishing of the parts going own. If it breaks after 75 years
    I'll really be upset.
     
  16. Desertscout

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    Well, I actually did wear one one out...mostly. But not from "normal" wear and use.
    When I was stationed in CA, my wife and I used to go out and shoot 1-2,000 rounds nearly every weekend. NEVER less than a thousand. Let's just say we shot a minimum of 1k a week for nearly 9 years. Sometimes we shot more but rarely less. That would be around 468,000 rounds and that's probably not far from being accurate. The gun still shot fine but the trigger was getting a little iffy and the bolt wouldn't stay locked back. I sent it back to Ruger and they went though it and replaced pretty much everything in it. I also had it re-blued and had them install a target trigger in it. The total for everything was around $45 + shipping IIRC.
    I still have it and it still shoots like a champ.
     
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    Can't speak for the MkII, but I have a MkI that my dad bought new in the mid 1970s. First my mom and dad used it for target practice, then it made the rounds between two of my older brothers and one of my older sisters, then to me (as the "spoiled" youngest, I got to keep it :D ). It has since been through my daughter's hands, but she now prefers the 9MM my dad left her when he passed. It has a few scratches from careless handling, but otherwise looks brand new.
     
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    You can't wear out a Ruger 22.
    When I was younger I did wear out a 22lr pistol.
    It was a chrome finished Jenning 22 with wood grip.
    It was the only gun I owned at the time and I used to fire a brick of ammo or more every month. I guess I fired over 25,000 round in about 5 years. The pistol was very reliable and was pretty accurate in the beginning but the accuracy got worse as time went by. It started to have problem feeding during the last few thousand rounds and suddenly it wouldn't feed more than three or four rounds in a row. While cleaning it I found a crack on the slide just below the ejection port on the inside. It was about 1/2" long and it ran from the rail to the ejection port.

    One day I took the firing pin out and file it down to it wouldn't reach the cartridge and then threw it in the canal by the house. I should have kept it and turned it in during one of those gun buy back program... I could have gotten $50 for it which was what I paid:D
     
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    This Mark 11 Target made about 1988 I know for sure has had two and possibly three owners before me. I did have to replace the recoil spring unit and exractor but it's still going strong and more accurate than I can shoot.

    [​IMG]
     
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    "...couldn't be bothered to keep me alive with their fancy technology and nano-parts..." Geez, TimboKhan, if you're this bitter now, imagine what you'll be like in 150 years. Told my brother to build me a pyramid, put me on my couch and roll me and my stuff into it. Told him it'd save a lot of familial bickering. I haven't seen much building going on though. He always puts everything off to the very last second. I also told him that if he lets our idiot government get my firearms, he and the niece and nephew will be haunted forever. Silly twit isn't a shooter and has no idea how much money I have invested in firearms. He'd see my 1903A4 as just an old gun.
     
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    I haven't seen a Mark 1, 2 or 3 yet that runs good enough to worry about wearing it out. Sorry, but I just don't like them after the last 3 I bought, the ones my shooting buddies have confirm my thoughts also, to me at least. I put a LOT of money in a Govt Mk-II and it never would run more than a couple hundred rounds between jams, the others were worse. I REALLY wanted to make it work out too, had big plans for a 22-45..........

    GREAT gun for a casual plinker or a bullseye type shooter, they just didn't work out for me and what I expect of a 22.

    I have worn out a Marlin M60 too, a brick a week average for the first 8 years or so and probably 5000 since then, however many rounds that ends up being..... Mine still shoots under 1.5" at 100 yards with good ammo, but the bolt closes on the previously fired case every 2-5 rounds. Clean it up to Marine inspection clean and it will run 20-40 rounds without a hitch, but after that the jams start and within 200 rounds it is back to the 2-5 rounds between jams. You would think that $69 would buy a better gun........

    My Buckmark has almost 100K rounds through it, it still shoots great and runs great. The trigger, non-adjustable version, is fantastic now LOL. That Buckmark has sold at least 15 more for Browning, I don't know of anyone that has shot it that didn't say they would like to have one. I add oil, easier than changing the oil, every time I shoot it whether it needs it or not. I have cleaned it a total of 5 times max, it doesn't seem to help anything. Cleaning the bore is a no-no, it takes a hundred rounds for it to settle in again. It shoots OK with a clean bore, but it shoots great dirty. I will do a lot of stupid things, but I won't argue with what is proven to work time and again.
     
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    Lol... Well, I don't know how old you are, but if you die before me, I guarantee that your '03 will have a loving, caring, appreciative home in my hands. Hell, I will even build you a pyramid. A small, shoddily crafted pyramid, but it's better than what your bro has done thus far!
     
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    @ HSmith: It really seems to be luck of the draw. I've heard the exact opposite on Buckmarks and Rugers as well. At the UT campus range, the Buckmark was finicky for bit, went down hard, and now still won't run right even with new springs and extractor.

    The Ruger MkIIs run great, you just need to scoop the gunk out of the extractory bits with a dental pick every few hundred rounds.

    To the best of my knowledge, nobody has cleaned the S&W 22a in about six months, and it's going strong despite being our most heavily used gun. The UT club is a great testing ground for gun gear: if it can be broken, an undergrad will break it.

    They'd just about given up on gumming up the S&W 22a, until someone discovered that the mag floorplates break if you drop them. One last week, one this week, now we're ordering more from CDNN.


    Okay, Rugers are as durable as anything has any business being, outstanding. Now I can also fire my Glenfield 75C (wire extractor) with solid brickfuls and not worry about it.

    -MV
     
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    Nope

    Don't think I ever will either.
     
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    I dont know about a Ruger Mark II.....


    but heres a Ruger Mark I that I picked up recently, near as I can tell Im the third owner. First owner put a Clark trigger in the gun and did some trigger work to it. Second owner did nothing but shoot it. Its had LOTS, LOTS and LOTS of shooting. Fit and function are just the same as my new 22/45 - I cant see anything thats loose or excessively worn.

    It was purchased sometime in 1975 - makes it 31 years old.

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