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Excited about the H&K P2000 Subcompact?

Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by Optical Serenity, Jan 4, 2006.

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  1. Optical Serenity

    Optical Serenity Member

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    I can't wait for this thing to come out...I'm so stoked...

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  2. BlkHawk73

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    Umm... That would be the P2000SK model and it came out last year. It's been readily available in 9mm and .40 S&W and recently become available in .357 Sig. Was tobe my first handgun of '06 but another P7 tempted me too much.
     
  3. lunde

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    Yeah, I can't wait to walk over to my safe, take one of mine out, and fondle it... ;)

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  4. lunde

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    That was my V3. Here's my V2:

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  5. Caseless

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    With a 2.5" barrel, muzzle flash must be impressive at night.:)
     
  6. TC-TX

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    NOPE!

    Not even Slightly! ;)
     
  7. lunde

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    The barrel length is more like 3.25 inches.
     
  8. MyRoad

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    HK website says 2.48"

    I've been comparing the SK LEM to the G26...

    ------ Cap --- L --- W --- H --- S.R. --- B-L --- Wt.
    SK -- 10 - 6.42 - 1.28 - 4.61 - 5.20 - 2.48 - 1.30lb

    G26 - 10 - 6.29 - 1.18 - 4.17 - 5.67 - 3.46 - 26.1oz

    (sorry, not sure how to make that line up)

    ...and the G26 appears to be smaller in every dimension, except it has a longer sight radius and longer barrel. If the numbers I'm getting from the websites are correct.

    http://www.hk-usa.com/index.jsp?loc=101&SITEID=A&PartNumber=704204

    http://www.teamglock.com/Glock-Buyers-Guide/Glock-26.htm
     
  9. Optical Serenity

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    Well, ok, I'm happy that its out! Sorry I'm a bozo...

    How much did you guys pay?
     
  10. lunde

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    The HK web site is incorrect. I suggested they fix it, but for some reason they don't. Try HK's real web site, the one in Germany: http://www.heckler-kochjs.de/

    They list the barrel length as 83mm. That's 3.27 inches.

    Also, grab one, and measure its barrel.
     
  11. cookekdjr

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    I was VERY excited about it.

    Then I read the price tag. :eek:

    So, how 'bout those CZ's? ;)
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  12. Newton

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    I'll bet it's a real handful in .357SiG :eek:
     
  13. MyRoad

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    I noticed in the ads in a recent mag I got, they are showing the SK with the flat baseplates. I held one a while back and bought the non-SK P2000 instead, because the protrusion on the baseplate messed with my grip -- it just didn't fit me. Now that I know there are options, I might reconsider it, but I think I'd prefer to go 9mm since it would be a 'two finger' grip for me, pinky hanging off.

    Ken, do you know if the other measurements on the HK site are accurate?

    Another reason I'm comparing it to a G26.
     
  14. BlkHawk73

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    You get what you pay for. If you want a Ferrari, you ain't gonna get one for the price of a Subaru.
     
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    Cute, but sort of chunky for CCW at 1.34" across . . . . Anyone want to show a photo from above to give us an idea of where the thickness is? Maybe next to a ruler?
     
  16. Sox

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    The thickness is its maximal thickness measured across the ambidextrous slide stop levers. If I recall the grip is only 29mm wide as is the slide and the slide tapers to a narrow 26mm at the top. It is pretty compact.
     
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    Just over an inch is good on the slide, but the frame worries me. Would the new "Compact" version be thinner? (Serious question: I have no idea and they sound neat.)

    Shoot, I should just go hold one. H&K tends to make large-ish guns for the calibers (albeit wonderful, large-ish guns), but perhaps that's changed.
     
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    I love the looks of these HK's but when comparing stats, it seems that a Glock 26 would be better, smaller, cheaper and has much more mags and accessories available . Do they make a DA/SA version with a manual safety for cocked and locked carry instead of just a decocker version (don't know my HK variant numbers)?

    CDNN has these for $670 IIRC, not a bad price.

    I guess I'd like to see a comparison of the HK P2000SK 9mm, Glock 26, CZ RAMI 9mm and Steyr S9.
     
  19. BlkHawk73

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    Hmmm...what about the stats that you saw makes it worse than the G26 and makes you think there's less stuff available for it? It's designed as a CCW handgun, how many add on accessories does it need? You also state the G26 would be smaller according to the stats you compared. Now if the G26 is smaller and this is a favorable stat, why would more accessories for the G26 be good? :scrutiny: After all, adding accessories would make it larger. :p

    If you did indeed check stats, they obvious weren't too complete if they didn't list action types. FYI, SA/DA is Variant 3 but no P2000sk models are available with a manual safety lever.

    The P2000 SK uses the trigger system introduced in 2001 on the USP Compact “LEM” (Law Enforcement Modification) model. This unique pre-cocked hammer system combines the advantages of a cocked striker component (constant level of trigger pull and short trigger travel from first to last round fired) with a double action hammer system. The LEM trigger pull has been reduced to 7.5 to 8.5 pounds of pressure (32.5 Newtons), compared to 9.5 to 11.5 pounds found on many conventional double action pistols.

    Using such an enhanced trigger system consolidates ease of use and safety into a convenient, innovative trigger operation—one that prevents unintended firing. And in case of an ammunition-related failure to fire, all that is needed is an additional second or third pull of the trigger without the need of first pulling the slide back to re-cock the Subcompact.

    The enhanced LEM trigger system combines the reliability of a double-action revolver trigger with the crisp, precise trigger of a single-action pistol. For shooters that prefer a conventional double-action/single-action pistol, a special DA/SA variant is planned with a decock button mounted on the rear of the frame. A choice of two simple-to-install grip panels make it easy to custom-fit the P2000 Subcompact to any shooter’s hand. And the same ambidextrous magazine release and dual slide release levers found on the P2000 make handling the Subcompact easy for both right- and left-handed shooters.

    A set of abbreviated “industry standard” mounting rails on the P2000 US SK, enable lights, aimers, and other accessories to be added by sliding them onto the open rail system. The HK P2000 SK also can use widely available, reliable USP Compact magazines.

    • Industry-standard mounting rails for installing accessories
    • Ambidextrous slide release (located on both sides of the frame)
    • Ideal size for concealed carry
    • Optional magazine disconnect
    • Ambidextrous magazine release lever
    • Corrosion proof fiber-reinforced polymer frame
    • Polygonal bore profile for increased velocity, easier cleaning, and longer barrel life
    • Low profile slide and slimline, compactdimensions
    • Very short trigger reset distance to enhance the speed of multiple or follow-up shots
    • Replaceable grip panels for custom fit
    • Polymer recoil absorber bushing aids in recoil reduction
    • Corrosion resistant “Hostile Environment” Nitro Carburized finish
    • Oversized tapered trigger guard for use with gloves
    • Patented Lock-Out Safety device
    • Limited lifetime warranty for civilian sales


    HK P2000sk
     
  20. gudel

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    Quality doesn't come cheap.

    The only reasonable comparison would be to hold one each in your hand.
     
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    Blkhawk, I can think of one accessory for the G26 (which I own) that does not seem to be readily available for the HK2000SK (which sounds interesting to me): a 33-rnd mag. :D
     
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    The grip of the HK P2000 (and P2000 SK) is comparable to that of the HK P7M8. The only thing that protrudes on the frame is the ambidextrous slide stop lever. The bottom of the slide is barely wider than the frame, a millimeter or two at the most. These pistols are thin. I have a pair of USP Compacts, 357 and 45, and like the P2000 much more.
     
  23. Erich

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    Wow, lunde, thanks for a great answer.

    Of course, you're not helping me with trying not to want one of these! :) I'll have to go check one out.
     
  24. BlkHawk73

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    Well ok, ya got me there but hmmm... in a CCW pistol, those really long mags aren't exactly all that easily concealable. For a range only gun, maybe; still, I wouldn't want to get used to my carry gun in any manner other than how it would be carried. For me, those super cap mags don't impress. Just makes the spray and pray last a second or two longer.
    looked at a P2kSK again today and yup, it will very likely be my next auto. proberly in march or so. Would've even gotten it today but had to grab the LNIB P7 while I could, especially for under $800. :)
     
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    I'm not sure this applies - or if you intended it to - for a comparison between a Glock G26 and HK P2000SK.
    I think that in your analogy, I'd have to say a carry gun is something similar to a commuter car - something to go back and forth to work and sit in traffic in. A carry gun needs to be accurate, reliable, durable, and concealable. On those criteria in my humble opinion the Glock and the HK are equivalent.

    I'm trying to figure out what the extra $250 buys me in the SK. It appears that I would have to like/need/want one of the trigger variants, or like the grip/pointability of the SK in my hand a lot more than the 26, because I don't see much else that it offers that justifies costing 50% more.

    I'm certainly not intending to knock the HK. I have an HK USPc45-LEM on the way, and it sure would be nice to have carry guns in two sizes with the same trigger... so that's why I'm taking a close look at the SK-LEM. I guess I'll have to live with the USPc for a while, because if it became my #1 carry, that might be reason enough to pay the extra $$ for the SK.
     
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