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Experience with BERSA ?...

Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by GZOh, Oct 5, 2008.

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  1. GZOh

    GZOh Member

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    Anyone have any experience/comments on the BERSA guns... their quality, Customer Service, accuracy, reliability, etc.... They sure as heck are 'reasonably priced!'...
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  2. Ala Dan

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    I have one on the "old model" Bersa .380 DT models. Its a great compact
    .380 ACP semi-auto; but quite a bit larger than my KEL-TEC P3AT .380.
    I have never expereinced any problems, or issues with this firearm. The
    quality is not up too par with the German or American made Walther's;
    but they are well made in Argentina, and sell for only a fraction of the
    price of the Walther firearms. Oh, did I mention that the same manual
    of arms applies too both pistols~? :scrutiny: :cool: ;)
     
  3. The Lone Haranguer

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    I don't need any more 9mm pistols, but I would like to try one of theirs. An all steel 9mm or even .45 for $350-ish (albeit with only one magazine) is very appealing. I paid three times as much for a handgun that still malfunctioned and broke anyway, so you will not see me knock the low price.
     
  4. bensdad

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    What's that you say? Are you implying that there's NOT a directly proportional relationship between price paid and reliability? The Kimber ads on the back cover of American Rifleman assure me that you must be wrong! As do the XD and Glock ads scattered throughout every gun rag in the known universe. (/sarcasm)

    Bersa makes a good gun. My wife carries a Thunder 380. I can't cope with a backwards safety - freaks me out.
     
  5. mactex

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    I have two .380s from Bersa and have only had one minor problem that was quickly corrected by a Bersa service center. I own their BT380 and 380cc. The BT380 has given me no problem and has well over 2,000 rounds through it. I quit counting at 2,000 about a year ago so I really don't know the actual round count. The 380cc has about 1,000 rounds through it. The only issue I've had with it was a trigger spring that would pop out of position, but a quick trip to Colorada Gun Works got the issue fixed and I've had no problems with the pistol since.

    In my opinion, the Bersas are not machined as pretty as higher priced guns, but they perform every bit as well. Because of the machining they do require a bit of a break-in period, but after that they have worked very reliably.
     
  6. ZeSpectre

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  8. berettaprofessor

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    Head for www.bersatalk.org for more info.

    I had a Bersa Thunder 380. Liked the gun alot, and it's definitely good for the money. No FTF's but had a bit more recoil than most blowbacks. It wasn't of either the quality or the accuracy of my Beretta 84's and 85's so I eventually sold it because I wasn't shooting it....certainly didn't qualify as a safe queen :)
     
  9. krs

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    I handled a Bersa Thunder .380 at a show yesterday mostly because I was curious about why all the enthusiam for Bersa guns. I'd never seen one 'in person' before.

    I thought it was a cheap pistol with the feel of some of the potmetal junk that used to be available before somebody clued in legislators to the concept of a "Saturday Night Special". A good plastic or 'tupperware' pistol is a better buy than one that's got a chance to crack and be useless at any moment of firing.

    I won't be owning any Bersa guns and I've got more than 200 handguns currently.

    It doesn't cost THAT much more to buy a quality pistol made from good steel or alloy. It might SEEM like a lot but IMO guns like Bersas end up costing much more by not lasting the lifetime that a good one can last.

    Do Bersa owners get "Bersitis"? It's a very painful condition in another spelling.
    (Bursitis - something to avoid).

    Well, you did ask...
     
  10. GZOh

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    Bersa...

    Thanks for the input guys!!...

    Been thinking more along the lines of their 'full-size' THUNDER 9/40 models...

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    Like LHaranguer... "I don't need any more 9mm pistols, but I would like to try one of theirs. An all steel 9mm for $350-ish is very appealing."... Yes, it is. What do their 'second' mags usually run$$?

    ZeS... you've played with alot of CZs... how's their quality/workmanship compare?...

    Any Customer Service experiences/repairs??... What is their relationship (if any) with Colorado Gun Works??

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  11. Pat-inCO

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    As long as you remember that you get (for the most part) what you pay for. Does than mean that a Wilson, at $2,800 is the best going? Not in my opinion. The Wilson is the exact opposite end of the spectrum from Bersa.

    Bersa is a low cost alternative. Take it as such.

    I like the results obtained from CZ (Dan Wesson) and Kimber. Kimber is far more expensive but there is good value there in both.

    I would hesitate to shoot competition with a Bersa, but they would be fine if you shoot in the few hundred rounds per year range, not in the thousands per year.
     
  12. The Lone Haranguer

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    IIRC, extra Thunder 9 mags were $40-ish at a gun show.
     
  13. amprecon

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    I have two, the Thunder .380 duo-tone, which is not a pot-metal gun and has been accurate and reliable and the UC9 which is also not a pot-metal gun and also has been accurate and reliable. I did have an issue with the UC9 where while pressing the trigger with it empty and the safety on, the trigger return spring just broke. I called them and they sent me a replacement spring right away at no cost and said it was a very unusual case with that part.
    But I have had no other problems with either one, and they have been utterly reliable and at least as accurate as my Glock 23.
    What people just can't seem to grasp is that even in the modern era we can still find good deals on quality products. I normally believe in you get what you pay for too, but there are always exceptions to any rule. These guns are not as refined and polished as their more expensive counterparts, but when I grab up my gun it sure isn't being taken to a fashion show, it's to do a job. As a mechanic myself, some tools just aren't pretty but I'd be useless without them and work just as well as the more expensive shiny ones do.
    I guess some people are just above non-trade names. More power to you, the economy needs people like that.
     
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    With regard to "potmetal junk": all Bersas carry a lifetime warranty and have a service network that seems eager to make your gun right. Spare parts are available and inexpensive. I have corrisponded with Colorado Gunworks and found them to be informed and helpful. Fortunately, I've had no need of their repair service but they are an active contributor to Bersatalk.com regarding service/maintenance issues. HTH
     
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    To reiterate, I said "the FEEL of potmetal junk".
     
  16. ZeSpectre

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    The level of quality/workmanship on my Thunder 380 concealed carry is very good. I have no question that the CZ line is BETTER but CZ has been consistently putting out some very high quality gunwork for years now.

    I bought the Bersa because I wanted a smaller "pocket gun" and that best fit the bill for me at the time. I have not been disappointed with the choice though I am also sure that eventually I'll be the owner of a stainless steel SIG P232 but that's because I'm a SIG and CZ nut, not because the Bersa has failed to meet expectations.

    Oh and just a note, I understand completely what KRS says about a "feel of potmetal junk" due to the very light frame and relatively heavy slide as well as the oddness of whatever finish Bersa uses. It -does- give the gun a very unusual feel and many interpret that feel as "cheap junk". As I said, I understand completely...and disagree completely. We talk a lot about that indefinable "feeling" of "quality" and much of the Bersa line has a "feel" all it's own.
     
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    The 45's feel a lot better than the 380's. The 380 slide feels like it's stamped, not sure if it is. The 45 looks and feels beefier with a machined slide. The polymer grip is flawless. Has an alloy frame, and mine has the stainless slide. What more could you ask for? Sure the slide has a few stray machining marks, but nothing atrocious or really visible. It's basically a $2-300 cheaper version of my XD, or what the XD might look like if it was $300 less. The full ambi-controls is also a plus for lefties. Only negative for me is the relatively low round count for such a fat grip (7+1)

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  18. Ignatius

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    I had a Bersa .380 for several years as a daily CCW gun, it was always reliable and I ran a lot of ammo thru it.( Now I carry a Keltec P3AT because it is much smaller and disappears in the front pocket of a pair of pants). I have a friend who is a gunsmith and he has changed my mind on several guns that I assumed were junk (rest assured he hates Lorcin/Bryco and Jennings) that he thinks are well made and good shooters, noteably Bersa and some of the late Astra's before they went out of business.

    They are good guns, not as pretty as a Walther but they are well made and go bang when you need them to.
     
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    I've read that the materials, like the slide, are of a little softer steel and won't last as long as, say a Sig. However, if you aren't planning on putting 10's of thousands of rounds through it, it will probably last a lifetime I've only read good things about their reliability.
     
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    Try www.bersatalk.com for info and insight to these guns. I have a Thunder UC .45 and love it
     
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    I have an old steel blued Bersa 383 (the original, not the 383A)....the granddaddy of the current BT380. It's the same basic gun, but is single action only and has the mag release in the lower left grip plate. Mine has had many hundreds of rounds through it and is still shooting strong. I don't see it wearing out anytime soon.
    I've never used their customer service, my Bersa hasn't had any problems. It's a good shooter, smooth action, and carries well (if a little heavy being all steel). Feels about the same as the current Bersa .380's I've handled. "Feel" is subjective I suppose.
     
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    How many people, really, will put 10,000 rounds through a pistol? My daughter decided that the Bersa Deluxe was for her. It works every time, and she shoots it accurately. Probably 1000 rounds through it in two years, most in the first six months. Today, she shoots our guns regularly, while looking at a future purchase. The Bersa? Her licensed CCW weapon.

    How many will shoot a match with it? VERY few. Face it, most of us aren't sufficiently good with dedicated pistols for matches to win regularly, much less with sub-caliber guns. The sight radius is short, and the sights are pretty coarse, and small.

    Our DoD Club in Maryland ran a "mini-gun" course of fire, sort of an IDPA that allowed nothing but short-barreled, and small-caliber, guns. The scores of even the regular IDPA and IPSC shooters weren't going into any record books. We also learned that, to stand a chance, the matches needed full day-light.

    Odd comment. There are those looking to clue in our legislators to the concept that "Saturday Night Specials" are short-barreled, easily concealed, guns, the original definition. No matter the construction, materials, or price. Be careful what you wish for, you just might get it. Personal opinions on-line are public domain for the anti-gunners.
     
  23. ZeSpectre

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    I confess to asking that same question quite often. I've kept a running "round count" for the past couple of years and admittedly I tend to "rotate through" all of my guns, but if one of my guns gets 1,200 rounds through it in a year then it's been shot pretty heavily (for me anyway).

    Now I'm not saying that there aren't folks who shoot 10k rounds out of a gun, I know a very serious competitor who shoots 500-1,000 rounds PER WEEK (26,000-52,000 rounds a year) but he's a tiny percentage of the gun owning public that I know.
     
  24. EdLaver

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    I have a Bersa 380 Thunder, great little gun. I have had it for 5 years and it has about 700 rounds through it without a single malfunction. My mother is elderly and she owns one also. Her face still lights up when I occasionally take her to the range to fire it.
     
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    Bersa makes great pistols.



    My dad has the Mini-Firestorm 9mm (The compact version of what you posted.) He's put at least 4K rounds through it with no problems, except for a FTRB a couple months ago. I wondered why it did that.


    Turns out he hasn't cleaned it since he bought it. Or field stripped it. He just hit the rails with a little oil and called it good. Well Hell, any pistol will choke with abuse like that.

    I broke it down and cleaned 'er up real nuce, and man, that little sicker can shoot! Small balloons offhand @ 30 yards is plenty accurate enough for me!



    ETA: Although, I doubt they would be that comfortable for carrying, they thend to have some sharp corners.
     
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