Whether the piston is above or below the chamber is immaterial to whether the system is a long or short stroke piston or whether you can feed from the top or bottom.So what are the advantages of short-stroke design over the long-stroke? It occurs to me that, since the piston is not sitting above the chamber, one advantage would be that you could load from the top using stripper clips.
Whether the piston is above or below the chamber is immaterial to whether the system is a long or short stroke piston or whether you can feed from the top or bottom.
The M1, for example, is a long stoke piston placed under the barrel that feeds from the bottom, but also allows for top loading.
The major advantage is the reduced mass of the reciprocating parts. Their disadvantage is that they have to have a (relatively) high initial thrust force to get all to parts moving so as to have enough momentum to work the action, whereas the long stroke design can be designed to have a very low, but continuous, push.
Gas-operated, belt-fed, machine guns usually have the long stoke design for this reason. They need a longer 'power-stroke' to lift the belt weight.
As to felt recoil, that will always be dependent on the specific design. You can make a short stroke gas piston with a nasty, sharp, uncomfortable recoil or a soft, easy recoil. It all depends on the design....So is there any functional difference, say, in felt recoil? Or in the acceptable range of cartridge loadings?
Well, it's not, even though it resembles one. Because the gas port is near the muzzle, the gass pressure on the piston head only lasts until the projectile clears the muzzle, then the gas pressure drops.The M1, for example, is a long stoke piston
The definition of a "long stoke piston" is that the piston moves the length of the action, NOT how long the pressure pulse lasts... The Bang rifle had a gas trap muzzle device and a long stroke piston, the bullet had left the barrel by the time gas started acting on the piston. (Besides, the pressure in the barrel remain high, above 4000 psi, for a few milliseconds after the bullet has left the barrel. Complete blow-down takes about two times the length of time the bullet is in the barrel.)Well, it's not, even though it resembles one. Because the gas port is near the muzzle, the gass pressure on the piston head only lasts until the projectile clears the muzzle, then the gas pressure drops.
The Piston, since it's attached to the op rod does travel the full length of a cartridge, but that was mostly because Garand did not want to introduce a second part separation.
The advantage of having the longer duration of the power delivery in the gas engine is somewhat academic for rifles, because you can only do it by attaching a large enough vessel in front of the piston. The maintenance nightmares of dealing with it made designers give up on the idea. So, in all modern long- or short-stroke guns, the energy is delivered to the reciprocating mass in a process similar to a blow with a hammer. This even includes belt-fed machine guns.Their disadvantage is that they have to have a (relatively) high initial thrust force to get all to parts moving so as to have enough momentum to work the action, whereas the long stroke design can be designed to have a very low, but continuous, push.
Not a hammer blow. If you look at the force vs displacement curves for most long stroke MGs they are longer duration than say an M1 Carbine, or even a FAL, several milliseconds. Even most short stroke pistons have a relatively long duration pressure pulse.The advantage of having the longer duration of the power delivery in the gas engine is somewhat academic for rifles, because you can only do it by attaching a large enough vessel in front of the piston. The maintenance nightmares of dealing with it made designers give up on the idea. So, in all modern long- or short-stroke guns, the energy is delivered to the reciprocating mass in a process similar to a blow with a hammer. This even includes belt-fed machine guns.