Extra small .22 pistols

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  1. Coyote3855

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    Rollies? Seriously?
     
  2. TennJed

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    Ummm no

    The db9 is listed as
    5.6" long
    11oz

    The TPH is
    5.3" long
    11.5 oz
     
  3. usp9

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    I just figured MachIVshooter confused the TPH with something else. Not a very common gun.
     
  4. kBob

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    The TPH is a nice gun. It is small. It is however larger than most of the little .25s that have been posted.

    My own experience with the TPH is limited, having only had an afternoon of plinking with a .22LR with an early wet suppressor on it. Fired it with and without and liked it best with. Shot it wet and dry. Nice day.

    The owner carried it pocket carry on occasion with the "roll of nickels" in the opposite pocket......nothing suspicious about that if he got frisked, eh?

    I would love to have a TPH in either caliber. The .22 I shot worked every time, but it did have a barrel set up for a suppressor and I do not know if they replaced the original barrel or just mated an extension to the original barrel or not.

    -kBob
     
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  6. AK103K

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    The biggest problem with the .22's is, their propensity to misfire. Size of the gun is meaningless too. They all do it. The centerfire guns are much more reliable.

    If it had to be something of that size, the .32 Seecamps make more sense.
     
  7. usp9

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    Agreed pertaining to protection, but cost wise, there's no more economical fun than a .22, whatever size it comes in. Although I have carried the .22 when the Seecamp was back home for a check-up, I prefer a centerfire.

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  8. texasred777

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    small .380s

    I was in the LGS about a couple of weeks ago. They had a S & W, and a Remington (?); both small .380 pistols. I asked the owner if he had any feedback from anyone who owned one. He said he had just received them and had not sold one yet. They were a bit smaller than my Walther PPK/S .22 and my Bersa CC .380. They had 6 shot magazines.
    Do any of you know anything about these?
     
  9. Dan Forrester

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    usp9: Does the TPH have a stainless or aluminum frame?

    Thanks, Dan
     
  10. usp9

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    The answer is... both.

    German made frames are alloy. If it was made in the U.S. by Ranger it is all stainless. Interams both imported from Germany and sold the U.S. made TPH so both blued and stainless may be marked Interarms. The German pistols are quite collectable and may cost over $1000. Stainless go for anywhere from $400 to $800 or so depending on condition and caliber, (.25acp go for more than the .22lr.).

    The one pictured above is stainless.

    My latest one was in perfect, (safe queen), condition. It still had the plastic wrap on it and the box contained the original sales receipt. Came with all the original stuff, which is rare as people sell one of the mags often. I found it for $549 and was happy to pay it because of the condition.

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  11. Hunter2011

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    Not really 100% accurate:)
    My Model 422 is 100% reliable with CCi Minimags. Not one misfire ever with Minimags.
    My 9mm pistol sometimes fail to feed if not 100% clean. This does not happen with my .22 model 422.
     
  12. AK103K

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    Every .22 Ive ever owned, and Ive owned quite a few, had misfire at some point, and ammo was the issue every time. Its just the nature of the beast with the way they are primed.

    Now the 100% clean thing was definitely a .22 issue, especially with things like the Beretta 21A's. Mine were very fouling sensitive.

    Most of the .22 autos Ive owned got pretty grumpy as they got dirty, and much more likely to be a problem than the centerfires.
     
  13. texasred777

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    Small .22s

    I have a little Walther PPK/S .22. I have 2 extra magazines. Each hold 10 shots. I have, more than once, fired the first mag, popped in the 2nd mag, fired it, then popped in the 3rd and fired it. All 30 shots without a FTF or a FTE. Just before I began the 30 shot trials, the little gun did not fire when I pulled the trigger. It was probably a bad primer. I tried to fire it a couple more times, then put it into a Heritage Rough Rider and tried it 2 or 3 times. It was hit by a firing pin at least 5 times and never fired.
    I was really surprised after firing the 30 rounds the first time with the little Walther. I've done it once or twice since. The more I do it, the better I like this little gun.
    Back in the late 70s, through to the early 90s, I had a little RG .25 ACP. I shot that little gun numerous times and very seldom did it jam. I carried it in my back pocket and after the third set of grips, the linkage was bent so badly it wouldn't 'cock' anymore. I'm sure there are a lot of small pistols that are unreliable, but I haven't had one, yet.
     
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    Usually with a .22 misfire, if you rotate the round so the firing pin strikes it somewhere else on the rim, it will often, if not usually fire on the second strike.

    Over the years, Ive had the issue with pretty much every brand of ammo Ive shot, and in most guns I was shooting them in.
     
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    In my life time I have had more "dud" rimfire rounds than centerfire, lots more.

    That said I have one of the little revolvers, not the easiest to shoot or most accurate pistol I own though.

    If I can tolerate a little more size and weight, a Berettta .25 has 9 rounds of a much more reliable ammunition, easier to control and more accurate.

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  16. MICHAEL T

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    Out of these shot barrel guns the 22 mag has no real advantage over the 25 or the 22LR other that noise and muzzle blast I sold my NAA 22/22mag while back Hard to shoot accurate be on spitting distance 22 mag was even worst.
    My old 950 Beretta in 25 holds 9 rounds NAA 5 . I can empty those 9 before you can do 5 and be more accurate at say 10' reload a 2nd mag of eight and start again about when you did 5. Finish my 8 reload a mag while you fumble removing cyl getting fired cases out reload and trying to put back together . I will be half was I'd guess thru 3 mag.
    I tried for 2 years to like that pistol even carried it a few times. Just not for me . I think a play at range pistol. If I going t carry a real small mouse then the Beretta little larger the KelTec P-32
     
  17. Jim K

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    The main problems with a small .22 pistol are 1) feeding problems with a rimmed cartridge (the .25 is semi-rimmed) and 2) reliable ignition of a rimfire in a small auto loader. The latter is because it takes more force to ignite a rimfire round than a CF primer. A revolver has no problem because the spring can be made heavier without keeping the slide from functioning.

    Jim
     
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    While the little NAA guns are neat, I can't think of any clothing that I would wear in public that I couldn't conceal a Keltec P3at or a Ruger LCP.
     
  19. aarondhgraham

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    DA or DAO helps with the dud round issue.

    DA or DAO helps with the dud round issue.

    I own a Taurus 22-PLY (and the 25-PLY) pistol which is DAO,,,
    This past Saturday I had it out for some play time.

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    I was using older Remington Golden Bullet,,,
    This batch has proven to be full of rounds that don't go off.

    The DAO feature on my 22-PLY allowed me to strike the round again,,,
    Every dud cartridge one went off with a second hit.

    I'm not saying this cures all of the rimfire reliability problems,,,
    But the DAO trigger allows a second (or third) strike,,,
    Often that's all a rimfire cartridge needs.

    Now having said that,,,
    When I carry the little Taurus,,,
    I almost always opt for it's .25 ACP version.

    Aarond

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    Delete. Wrong thread.
     
  21. Hunter2011

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    No you are correct. They are in all honesty small enough. And shoots a worthwhile cartridge.
    I myself carry a 9mm. I did not start this thread to look for a smaller gun for myself. I just thought why no smaller pistols exist that can compete head-on with the NAA's:) I would rather carry a small auto than a NAA myself, but then, the NAA ''should'' be more reliable than the extra small pistols.
     
  22. DeepSouth

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    I have a NAA mini and I do carry it occasionally, I used to carry it a daily.
    BUT, you can put me down as saying I will never carry a auto loading .22

    I simply don't trust rimfire ammo that much, with the NAA "rollie" if a shot fails to fire you just cock the hammer and pull the trigger again. With an auto, your done. I can't count the misfires I've had with my NAA and quality ammo, and I blame it all on moisture, from walking in the rain to sweating. Their is no rimfire ammo I trust anymore.
     
  23. Hunter2011

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    Lol, I see you just cannot forgive me for using that word. I will type better from now.
     
  24. DeepSouth

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    It's new to me, I was just poking at you.
    I really couldn't care less what nicknames people give guns.
     
  25. MedWheeler

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    I'm the lucky one here.

    I've shot tens of thousands of rimfire ammo, and have never had a misfire. About 65-70 percent of those rounds fired were MiniMags.

    Now, watch. I'll go out tomorrow and have one. Dang in advance.
     
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