Discussion in 'Handguns: General Discussion' started by Owen Meany, Feb 5, 2008.
I knew it would be related to Chuck Norris somehow.
Many thanks for all the great responses, both the serious and tongue-in-cheek variety. I appreciate both.
Very succinct. I wonder how Extreme Shock would respond if confronted with these observations.
Though my original query was serious, I enjoy reading things like this almost as much:
That’s perfectly apt, XDKingslayer. How can Extreme Shock expect to be taken seriously by anybody when, as Conqueror pointed out, they make patently false claims – never mind using bombastic, pretentious language in their descriptions? Purple prose is the last thing I’m interested in when shopping for something to stake my life on.
Rampant Colt said:
Yes, not only suggesting its use, but outright claiming it! Though I don’t have any evidence to the contrary, I simply cannot believe that any major law enforcement agency or military group would ever entrust themselves to such a product.
There are “Testimonials” on the site that supposedly come from one or more “officers” who now worship at the altar of the Ny-trillium death pill after killing a brontosaurus with a single .22 round or something like that. But where’s the proof? Doesn’t Extreme Shock realize how skeptical people are going to be? Better not to have any testimonials at all.
Thanks to those who posted links to the Box O’ Truth and the Shooting Messenger blog. I will certainly read those articles.
^^^That's the thing. People, on the whole, are NOT skeptical. There are a lot of idiots and gullible folks out there. My local gun shop sells this crap by the boxful. In any industry, fancy marketing almost always outdoes good product. If they can get some desk-jockey cop to say it's the greatest thing since sliced bread, or that it made John Browning rise from the dead, people will eat it with a spoon.
The 'T' is talkin' to me...
Trillium is a type of plant...
can't resist to post again! MUHAHAHAHA
I've said it in the past. Any advertisement depicting either lighting or explosions is selling garbage. These guys have BOTH!
Pressed and formed metal powder....sort of like your lunch meat except maybe made with recycled ccw badges
A lot of people make funny references to ES, but the sad part is that it's not funny. People are buying these rounds based on false pretenses and they are betting their lives on this stuff.
In my opinion, companies that can't back their claims and put people at risk should be shut down. Cut and dry.
The only thing I actually laugh about when it comes to ES is their pricing.
I am sorry, but I thought "mass density" was in fact a standard unit of measure for compressed kittens fed on a diet of Chuck Norris' beard hair.
Did anyone happen to notice the guy in front is packing a shotgun? Do they make eXtreme shock loads for shotguns? The guy on the right looks like he's holding a paintball gun. And then there's Al Gore....
Everyone knows that they're made from unobtanium.
I don't even care if they do perform as advertised. At $2+/round, this stuff is too expensive to seriously test function in any firearm and then rotate every six months or so. I won't spend nearly a grand every year just for carry ammo. Winchester Ranger and Speer Gold Dots work well enough, and are tested enough for me, while much cheaper.
Big, that photo was priceless... you went ahead, and "made my day." Very tasteful use of arachnids, I might add.
"Tiny ninjas" and "Chuck Norris' beard hair" were magnificent, as well. I'll stick to the hypeless hollowpoints. I noticed the recent (within 5 or 7 years?) changes in Hydra-Shok bullet, made without much hooplah, and anyone can tell you why the rounds are better now.
photo made and originally posted by: hexidismal
in this thread: http://thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=299651&page=2&highlight=ninja+maxx
(just want to make sure credit is given where due )
Anyone else received/seen the latest issue of G&A, and noticed that appearently the makers of Extreme Shock got Patrick Sweeny to come to their plant and perform the following services for them.
Test the exact same ammo lines that Box-O-Truth tested, but giving a glowing reveiw.
Give a number of scenarios where the ES ammo is supposedly superior that are not related to stopping power (ie a jacketed lead free frangible is int eh line up)
explain away the fact that Extreme Shock does NOT use industry standard test meadium (ie not tested in Ballistics gellatin), but somehow the tests in the non-standard medium are somehow more valid than if they had been done in Ballistics gel.:banghead:
I'd say more but it would degrade into references to the world's oldest profession.
I guess the G&A/Patrick Sweeney article confirmed what we've known all along: the gun rags are shameless shills selling their reputations and souls to any manufacturer waving a fistful of dollars and some free swag.
I'm in Extreme Shock over the price and poor performance.
That was LeMas ammo. After a claim that a "blended metal" round could penetrate obstacles yet somehow "know" when it was in meat in order to explosively expand, Dr. Gary Roberts obtained a round and had it tested. There was nothing at all special about it. You can find the analysis on tacticalforums.com and lightfighter.net.
What amazes me is that given the "popularity" of ES, there are few reviews of the stuff.
It's like everyone but Patrick Sweeny looks at this stuff and just rolls their eyes.
Everyone knows ES=BS. I get more irked by the subtler BS stuff. Like Homeland Defender products. I looked at a box of that, it was Federal ammo with their cheapo hollowpoint selling for premium hollowpoint prices! Homeland defense, it's the new "tactical!"
Wasn't Nytrilium discovered off-world by Stargate SG-1?
Unfortunately, even those in the business buy in to this rubbish - a few folks I know brought G&A in today and were going on and on about how wonderful the ES ammo is. I told them, point blank, they could buy them and waste their money, but I didn't want to pay that much for Glaser slugs or CorBon ammo.
That's really all they're selling at this point, just way jacked up in price!
Hopes and dreams. Lets all donate a penny so these guys can afford more than 5 minutes to create an ad in Microsoft Paint.
Is it just me or do companies like this most likely have to have done absolutely no testing of their ammo whatsoever. How hard is it and how cheap would it be to just do a simple test like the Box 'O Truth one? I mean come on, research and development is there for a reason. This to me shows absolutely no attempt whatsoever to even try to build a product remotely capable of doing anything at all. I'm almost surprised they didn't just buy some JHP's from someone else at a wholesale discount and rebadge them.....oh wait that would take effort.
The soul of Marsellus Wallace.
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