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extremely worried about my cousin

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by mattman the gun fan, Aug 20, 2005.

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  1. mattman the gun fan

    mattman the gun fan Member

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    Well my cousin is 26 years old,recently divorced and he is a meth addict.About a month ago he shot himself through the thigh and the rectum.The doc told him he would have to use a colostemy (sorry for the spelling) bag for 5 months or possbily the rest of his life.And 2 days ago i get the call from my aunt saying he was in the hospital again he shot himself with a shotgun through the leg and he blew away one of his testicals.I guess he was smoking meth that night to. i feel awful for his daughter and he has another on the way.My aunt says he isnt even the same person after smoking that stuff for 1 year.He forgets were he lives and forgets who we are alot of the time.Its sad how badly drugs can mess you up.
     
  2. Delmar

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    My sympathies are with you, Mattman. It is certainly no joy to watch someone you used to know chemically change into someone you'd rather not know.

    First things first-get the guns out of the house ASAP! Personally, I would not leave a meth head with anything more dangerous than a spork. Silverware-gone. Butcher and paring knives-gone. I am quite surprised the local LEO's have not been informed of his condition, but for all concerned, that fella needs to be in a soft room eating soft food until he is dried out.

    One thing I have noticed is that people with drug habits generally seem to have a penchant for drug abuse, be it legal or not. I'm sure there are exceptions to the rule like anything else, but it does seem like that is the case.

    I have a step son who finally stopped the hard stuff and feels like he is reformed, however, he smokes more grass than a Toro self propelled and his alchohol intake is pretty scary!
     
  3. Taurus 66

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    I have one for you. A friend of my brother (friend's name was Louie) was into heroin. He was actually a pretty decent guy and would give you the shirt off his back. He was skinny yet built, if you know the type. If you ever found trouble in a bar, Louie was the guy you wanted backing you up 'cause man could he fight!

    Then he started using heroin. I suppose the crack binges weren't enough of a high for him. One hot summer's night in 2000, he took a 12 gauge as if he was going to shoot himself in the head, but the gun misfired and the full shot went into his shoulder. He required five surgeries before the shoulder was finally pieced back together. I'll never forget that steel rod connecting from his shoulder to the bone in his forearm. This was to immobilize the arm at 90 degrees until it completely healed.

    Two years after that incident, Louie was found dead by his ex in a 2nd floor room. The autopsy ruled the death as a bad batch of heroin.
     
  4. wrench

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    I feel your pain, my brother in law got hooked on meth, took a great guy and turned him mean, unpredictable. He stole, lost his business, his house, his wife and kid, thousands in debt, for what? :fire:
     
  5. Standing Wolf

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    I don't think you need to worry about your cousin. From the sound of things, he's already dead, but just hasn't figured it out.

    Some people just don't have the strength to get through their lives.
     
  6. gripper

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    Guys and gals,meth is NOTHING new;neither is addiction and the destructive tendencies it brings out.Up here in the state of MA.,tweakers arew neck and neck with oxycontin users for the "Oh ****!" of the week( or in some cases,the day!).There is something else thats not new,codeine with a time release.What I can't figure out is not many people seem to stop (or at least slow)their descent before they slam into that oncomming sidewalk.I guess gravity and momentum have a force all their own.
    As to your friend,you need to ask yourself this;does he know yet that he as a choice?The one ewhere he can either decide to live (and live well) or continue and die?And rom his last two firearms related incidents go,not even die all at once,but piece by piece?
    I was never an altar boy(thank God!!),nor am I a preacher type;but there ARE times when nothing but evaluating what you are doing,what the results have been so far,and whether or not contuing will give better outcomes or the same ,that introspection is all that will save him.Unfortunately its easy for no one.I'm not a twelve step type,but ther ARE groups like that and others that could be of assistance to him and his,but like they all say" only if he chooses".Hopefully hell decide not to lose or throw away any more than he has;but intervention by his friends and family will probably have tio have some role.
    For what its worth ,I;ll pray for you and yours.Sorry to ramble.
     
  7. GregGry

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    I was on one of the highest codine pain killers for 3 weeks (legaly) after a auto accident. Needless to say I wont take that ever again, I was getting very scary halucinations, and I would wake up and not be able to move. No thanks...


    Anyway, I am sorry to hear about your cousin, I hope things turn out for the better.
     
  8. sumpnz

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    I was given generic Vicodin when I had mono about 10 years ago. The shot of Demerol they gave me at the Urgent Care did nothing (though the 1500cc of IV fluid worked wonders). I quit taking the pain pills when I realized I wasn't really haveing conversations with my parents and sister, and that the large glass of cold water never existed.

    Course I never understood why they gave me that prescription anyway. They were damn horse pills, and my throat was so swollen my tonsils were literally touching. The fact that it hurt like hell to even swallow the pills also factored into the early termination of use.
     
  9. M2 Carbine

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    I've got to copy your posts for the next time one of those "there ain't nothing wrong with taking drugs, creeps" shows up on a forum.

    mattman the gun fan,
    I'm sorry for your cousin's family.
    Truthfully, I can't say I'm sorry for your cousin or whatever happens to any doper.
     
  10. bogie

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    Not to be callous, but evolution in action. Either get an intervention going, get the fellow into rehab, or go pick out a nice headstone.

    Personally, if someone wants to do that crap, fine. Let 'em. Just don't let 'em on the roads with me.
     
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    Hi Mattman-

    The likelihood of your cousin escaping the clutches of the drugs and regaining his former life is very slim. Sorry to hear your horrible story. Bogie's words would be difficult for any concerned family to read, but I believe they illustrate what will happen in reality.

    ~ Blue Jays ~
     
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    Mattman, as a chaplain in a high-security prison, I deal with dopeheads all the time. They're permanently brain-damaged, I'm afraid, and will never return to "normalcy". I'm afraid that from what you've told us, it sounds as if your cousin is already too far down the road to be fully rescued... sad though it is to have to say that.

    I suggest the best thing you can do right now is to remove all potentially self-damaging instruments from his reach, including firearms, kitchen utensils, garden tools, etc. At least that way he'll have to really try before being able to hurt himself.
     
  13. Buck Snort

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    My 35 year old stepson was a drug addict, meth and you name it, and he hung himself in a closet. I'm here to tell you the meth is a scourge that is killing our society. We have the walking dead amongst us and some of them are homicidal as hell. Truth is you don't need Al-quida when you've got meth.
     
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    I haven't seen too many of the "ain't nothing wrong with taking drugs" people on forums. I have seen a lot of "it's a personal choice whether to take drugs" people. All these drug laws are fairly ineffective. Almost everyone posting here knows someone whose life was ruined by drugs, illegal or not.

    When I see drug users around town acting strange I pity them (a little) but I still want them to stay the heck away from me. And, yeah, some of those drugs do permanent damage even when someone stops using them.

    My friend managed to smash up three cars while drinking alchohol before he wised up. Luckily he never injured anyone.
     
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    I bet that was freaky :what:. In my case I just saw a gargoyle sitting and watching me, a demon doing the same thing, and the third time I saw my mother. Now seeing my mother wasn't bad, but she had been dead for 2 years at that point :what:. Not to mention not being able to moveor scream after waking up from dreaming, really made me stop cold turkey. Of course my doctor neglected to mention that you can't just stop ttaking the drug, you will go though withdrawls. I spent atleast a week not being able to sleep well, and feeling very irritable. Ohh well, I wasn't going to have another halucination. :what:
     
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    My sympathies go out to his daughter and the child on the way. He is a pathetic, self-absorbed loser and a prime example of natural selection.

    Jubei
     
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    Mattman,
    My sympathies for you and your family. I hope that you can all reach an early resolution to this problem

    Mixlesplick,
    THR is loaded with "there ain't nothing wrong with taking drugs" folk. It is something that goes along with Libertarianism. Obviously there is something wrong with it because drug users keep indulging in contra survival behavor.
    They follow their party mantra very well until it comes time to flush their kin from the public cloaca.

    Sam
     
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    Drug abuse is a symptom of an underlying problem. Drugs aren't bad anymore than guns...
     
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    How do you like it when the antis point to grisly gun murders and suicides and say, "This is for the 'There's nothing wring with guns ' creeps."

    Anyway, no one here that I've seen says, "there's nothing wrong with drugs." What I have seen is "It's not the government's business."

    Most rational folk can understand that alcohol cause far more health- and violence-related problems than marijuana, for instance. Yet I would protest vehemently if they tried to take away my right to have a nice glass of 12-year-old single-malt Scotch. (Okay, I'd like the 18, but I'm not made of money!)

    It's my inalienable right to wreck my body in any way I please -- I just shouldn't wreck others'.

    Oh, and by the way, "drugs" is a word like "weapons," and subject to the same hyperbole.

    Meth is to Pot
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    .357 is to Nuclear Warhead
     
  20. boofus

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    From a purely technical standpoint-> Guns don't cause a chemical reaction to occur inside the brain to impair your judgement or cause hallucination... Unless you spend 2-3 hours huffing Hoppes #9, in which case it probably does have the same effect as a mind-altering drug.

    Some people do stupid things with guns, but it is possible to own guns and be a very responsible individual. It is impossible to take drugs and not effect the normal functioning of the brain. Chemicals that normally are not in the brain are released when the drug is taken, that is known fact.

    They should open Crackcenters where addicts could be strapped to beds while they take their drug of choice. Pass a law saying they can be shot on sight when you catch them stealing something you own to support their habit. Then you still have individual freedom to be a dopehead, and it doesn't hurt the rest of us.
     
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    Yeah it was. It took me a couple-three days to figure it out too. I think I realized what was happening when I tried to re-start the conversation later when my parents actually were home and they had no clue what I was going on about. Either that or I realized during one of the "conversations" that it had to not be real since they were both at work. Things are a little hazy from that time.

    I was so sick at the time that my sister even felt sorry for me.
     
  22. Justin

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    If this thread turns into a debate over the drug war using Mattman's family members as nothing more than a pawn in a back-and-forth point-counterpoint match, I will close this thread without hesitation.
     
  23. Justin

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    Mattman, I don't know how close you are with his wife/girlfriend, but I would say that at this point if she and the kid(s) aren't out of the house, they need to be, ASAP.

    Get the rest of your family together, sit down, and come up with a plan for moving them out. So far he's only hurt himself, but even if he is beyond help, his family isn't.
     
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    Meth causes physical changes in the brain that make it extremely difficult to kick the habit. Having said that, it's possible to clean up, but the addict has to make the commitment him/her self to do that. Recognize that some things are in your control and others are not. Others have already mentioned the things you can do- take his guns, protect his family, if he has access to any financial assets/credit accounts get them out of his control for his family's benefit. I'm sure many people have tried to talk to him about getting into rehab before he kills himself; just let him know that you will help him when he's ready but won't support him as he is. Above all, realize that you aren't responsible for his actions.

    I'm surprised he's still alive, BTW- I knew a guy who accidentally shot himself in the same area with a 9mm and died before they could get him to the hospital.
     
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    The thing is, while the drug use isn't a good thing, the fact that it is illegal compounds it. It adds to paranoia, and encourages the user along the lines of "hey, I'm already a criminal, what's one more little thing?"

    Plus, the black market is huge. If drugs were all legalized tomorrow, we'd see some very interesting economics in action. Where would street gangs get the money to buy illegal firearms, for one thing... It'd go back to the traditional organized crime/rico bit, prostitution, gambling, organized theft, etc., which doesn't have near the profit potential.

    At the same time, with the illegality stigma removed, people will be more inclined to seek help.

    Then there's the typical simplistic DARE party line... They take all the drugs, show the stuff to the kiddies, and tell 'em that they're bad. Does anyone actually think that works? Or is DARE just an excuse to have a rubber gun squad (likely comprised of folks who are the only ones in the room professional enough...)? The problem that arises from this is that the kiddies think that the drugs are all equally bad, with equally bad side effects. They see someone who smokes the occasional doob, and then they equate that with meth or horse. Problem is that they then assume that methamphetamine or opioids are no more hazardous than pot.

    Rather than treating a user like a criminal, get them into rehab. If you need police/legal help to do so, make a deal with DA before you get going.
     
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