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FAL DSA .308 build

Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by Motega, Feb 4, 2011.

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  1. Motega

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    I have been doing my homework and before placing the final order wanted to run this build by some experts. It's a FAL .308 from DSA- their SA58 which is all new parts.

    1. 18" barrel- I'm a short guy and want something handy. From what some pros tell me the short gas system on the carbines (under 18" barrels) is louder, kicks harder, and is nonstandard (in the event replacements need to be purchased).

    2. No quad rails, but a 2" section of rail to mount a flashlight. Really, I just don't see how all the other stuff guys put on rifles is practical and I plan on carrying this around a lot.

    3. Aluminum upper and lower- steel is heavier with no benefit

    4. Type 2 receiver. Just personal preference on this choice.

    5. ACOG mount. Yes I'm putting an ACOG on it. A TSA11 3.5 X 35 with red crosshairs. I'll add the RMR later.

    6. ROBAR NP3 finish on internal parts - but I am not putting the duracoat on it. My personal opinion is that duracoat looks fruity on a battle rifle and anyone that spends enough time in the woods understands the folly of carrying camo gear. Put it down and walk out 10 yards and you get to play hide and seek with you gear on occasion.

    7. SAW grip, but also going to get an ergo grip with the palm rest to see how that feels and for bench shooting

    8. No carry handle, just putting some spacer washers there but I can add a handle later.

    9. Upgraded trigger ('speed trigger'). Supposedly breaks at 4.5-5 pounds. Better than the stock 8 lb pull.

    10. No para stock. I want to shoot this thing, and the para stocks don't seem to offer the same cheek weld and comfort a regular stock does. Also, regular stock provides a better surface to bash if necessary.

    Also, no bipod to start with- I find them rather irritating and this isn't a sniper rifle. That's what bolt actions are for. No desire for any fully auto or fancy flash hiders.

    Style (coolness, tactiCOOL, oohs and ahhs) earns zero points.. practicality, durability, reliablity is the goal.

    I thank you folks for taking the time to read and to post any useful comments.
     
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    I have never used the DSA trigger upgrade but you might look into having Bill Springfield do the trigger after you get the rifle.

    His work is outstanding.

    http://www.triggerwork.net/fal.html
     
  4. USSR

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    +1.

    Don
     
  5. Motega

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    duly noted
     
  6. Motega

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    DSA does the job for a lot more money but the end result is the same reduction in trigger pull- plus no shipping or waiting. I'd guess that a simple thing like reducing poundage on the trigger pull is not something that one gunsmith can do much better than another.
     
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    I belive that the upper is steel.
     
  8. Motega

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    No the STG (recycled parts) are steel the DSA made parts are not.
     
  9. USSR

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    Motega,

    The upper on a FAL is the receiver, and all DSA receivers are steel. The recycled STG parts do not include the receiver.

    Don
     
  10. Motega

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    I was confused because they offer STAINLESS uppers and blackened stainless as well as 'upgrades'... foolish of me to assume it would otherwise be aluminum. I guess that it would just be blued steel if you don't go for the stainless.
    What do you think of the selections Don? Would you do anything drastically different from a practical standpoint?
     
  11. Z-Michigan

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    Here goes:

    I own a bunch of FALs including several DSAs, one of which is an 18" barrel SA-58 (fixed buttstock). I love it and would highly recommend that setup. So far so good.

    Some specific comments:
    -like others noted, FAL uppers are always steel. The SA58 lower is aluminum and that saves a few ounces. (*there was once an aluminum FAL upper from a fly by night company. They were bombs, literally blowing up. You don't want one.)

    -A 2" short rail on standard handguards is very practical.

    -I like type II receivers also, and as you said it is only a preference thing.

    -Robar NP3 won't hurt anything but is not in any way necessary. Do what you like.

    -Get the SAW grip and don't bother playing with anything else. I had the standard Ergo grip for the FAL and it interfered with the safety. I sent it back.

    -I would get the "speed trigger" from DSA and not a Bill Springfield trigger job. DSA will warranty it and should really know what they're doing. While I've never heard of problems with the Springfield trigger job for an FAL, I have read (on M4C) of his trigger jobs going full auto on AR-15s. While that may be unlikely due to the different way an FAL's trigger works, it has spooked me plenty. My SA-58 has an uncommonly good trigger for an FAL; I didn't order it so I don't know if it is the "speed trigger" but I'm guessing it might be, as it's noticeably better than the triggers on other DSA FALs I have.

    You'll really like the FAL. Be sure to buy some spare mags too.
     
  12. Dobe

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    And then there is the flip side to every coin.

    My advice to the OP is to get back onto the FALFiles, and do the research, before you spend the money. You may just decide to buy a kit.
     
  13. Motega

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    I have been waiting for 2 weeks for the "FAL Files" to let me start posting; frankly if the message board is that neglected I really don't have any interest in being part of the online community there.
     
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    You do not need to be a member to search. Use google. Never search a forum with the forum's search function.

    Wait a moment, and I'll send you some query scripts for google.
     
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    Plug this into Google:
    site:falfiles.com broken.bolt cracked.bolt +dsa quality.value
    another to try: site:falfiles.com dsa.bolt broken|fractured|chipped
    Start with this. If you need something else specific, send me a pm, and I'll build the query for you.


    I don't know why you are having a problem. I have found everyone to be very helpful. There is a lot of FAL talent and knowledge on that site.
     
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  16. Motega

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    I have read about the bolt issues and this should not be a deterrent from buying from DSA... I mean any company that hasn't had a recall just hasn't been in business long enough. They made good. I sincerely doubt any pieced together FAL is going to be superior to a brand new rifle from DSA.
     
  17. Dobe

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    Read about the overall quality. If you are then still content with your original decision, you should purchase a DSA. I own one DSA; I'll never own another. I will purchase a kit.
     
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    I'm totally confused- as far as I can tell DSA has had ONE issue that they readily serviced. They also warranty their rifles. I'm curious as to how piecing together a rifle is superior to buying one from the leading producer and presumably experts. I've seen numerous accounts of sub 1/2" MOA rifles from DSA.
     
  19. Dobe

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    The quality of the parts - It isn't unusual, really.

    BTW, DSA also has a recall on some of their lowers.

    In the search string I gave you, swap out for QC | Quality Control
     
  20. Motega

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    Again ONE issue in the decades they have been in business- and from all the folks that have have been affected they have posted that DSA paid shipping both ways and gave them a few extras for the trouble.
    Virtually every company in any business from auto makers to baby food have recalls - it's how they handle the recalls that defines whether or not it's a problem.
    the guy I have been working with from DSA gave me his personal cell phone number so I could work on the build over the weekend when the shop was closed. That says something about customer service. If I were a gunsmith, perhaps scouring the internet and gun shows for the next year for the right parts might be a fun project- that doesn't sound like fun to me. I want to be shooting this rifle, not looking for puzzle pieces.
    I'm not closed minded or stubborn on the subject though- what is your argument for piecing together a rifle? Do you have any facts to support your opinion?
     
  21. Dobe

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    Then you should make your purchase.

    According to many of those who have had DSAs and have kits (from FALFiles - again continue reasearch), the kits provide higher quality parts. That is part 1. Part 2 is their service. When my bolt cracked after 10 rounds, I sent some of the brass with the gun to my gun dealer, and informed the dealer of the ammo I was using (mil. surplus). They contacted DSA. DSA claimed I was using machine gun ammo, and balked at servicing the weapon. After that was cleared up, it took almost 6 months to get that rifle back from DSA. DSA (to my knowledge) never had a recall on those rifles, which had poorly heat treated bolts. My dealer informed me that another DSA rifle was brought into to them with the same type problem (shattered bolt) soon after I brought my DSA back for repairs.
     
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    Motega,

    I think you are approaching this in a good and logical way. Despite any problems DSA has had, they are still the "gold standard" to which other companies hope to compare to.

    Don
     
  23. Dobe

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    This is a quick look into the "gold standard"

    site:falfiles.com .dsa.quality
     
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    You can use:
    site:falfiles.com your search here
    Works to search any site. Usually better than the site's built in search.
     
  25. Dobe

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    Yup
     
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