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Wes Janson

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So I just had my father hang up the phone on me after a heated argument over barrel break-in. He was upset that I didn't follow a strict shoot-clean-shoot-clean procedure for my new 700 VTR (my argument was that it's a waste of time/money because I'm not shooting accurately enough anyways to notice the difference). Some families argue over money, or politics; in mine we argue over cleaning protocols. What's up with that?
 
Yeah i agree with you. I don't believe in barrel break in procedures. One im not good enough for it to make a difference anyway, and two, i can't understand how shooting then stopping and cleaning then shooting again can break it in anymore than just shooting it regularly.
 
Maybe try and find something that he's instructed you on (that you do agree with) and let him know in some way that what he passed to you is believed and understood.

Sometimes, they just need to know that.
 
I agree, unless he's completely irational for mental reasons----

he's just another dad like any other and he probably just wants to know that you listen to his wisdom, and can learn from his teachings :)
 
It's not a matter of teachings, it's just that he's been listening to different sources than I have, and has a more AR-style approach to things. Neither one of us have ever personally tested whether break-in makes a difference or not, and there's enough contradictory information out there that it's hard to say for certain what's true or not. My point of view is, I've got an awful lot of other factors that need to be eliminated before I'll probably see the effects of break-in versus no procedure, assuming an effect even exists.
 
true enough, but it never hurts to learn good habits, while you're also trying to learn good aim =)
 
Try telling a benchrest guy to "just shoot it". After he wipes the shocked look off his face you'll have to sit tight through a half hour lecture, backed by many barrels and tiny groups and years of telling the difference.
 
James Cox said:
Try telling a benchrest guy to "just shoot it". After he wipes the shocked look off his face you'll have to sit tight through a half hour lecture, backed by many barrels and tiny groups and years of telling the difference.
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It's still gonna depend on what benchrest guy you ask.

In my opinion, Gail McMillan probably knows what he's talking about and I'll take his advice:
http://www.6mmbr.com/GailMcMbreakin.html
 
Time to break out the manufacuter guidance. Everyone wants the truth. At least you are arguing about something worthwhile instead of about who will win the world series or how to raise your kids.
 
All of my guns are old. If there was ever a break in for these guns...it was a long time ago!

Call him back. Talk about it again. Work out a test where y'all buy two rifles. break in as you like, then shoot for group. Do this side by side and swap rifles and shoot for group again. It'll be fun and you get a new rifle...not to mention more range time. WIN WIN situation.

Mark.
 
I've never seen a scientific test of barrel break in. By scientific I mean they'd have to test more than just a couple of barrels. Maybe a couple of HUNDRED all in the same chambering in the same rifle. Honestly the test would take YEARS and even then you probably wouldn't test for all the variables. So I'll go with my normal response of "If you can't test for it, it must be a religion."
 
I've never seen a scientific test of barrel break in. By scientific I mean they'd have to test more than just a couple of barrels. Maybe a couple of HUNDRED all in the same chambering in the same rifle. Honestly the test would take YEARS and even then you probably wouldn't test for all the variables. So I'll go with my normal response of "If you can't test for it, it must be a religion."
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I suppose that's really what it comes down to. I'm a skeptic, always have been and probably always will be. If it can't be proven to me, or at least a very strong scientific explanation thereof, then I'm inclined not to believe it. And when I see overtones of pseudoscience/irrational thinking mixed in, I'm tend to lean in the opposite direction on principle.
 
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