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Fast Response Bag.

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by Matt G, Jan 8, 2007.

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  1. Matt G

    Matt G Moderator Emeritus

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    A month or so ago, my PD sent me to ALERRT training, which is basically active shooter response training over a two day school. Obviously it couldn't be comprehensive in such a short time, but it did expose us to some practical considerations of some important issues. One was the idea of putting together a "fast response bag." The idea was: if you have to go into an active shooter situation with less than a minute (preferably 15 seconds or less) to get your stuff together from your car, would you have a pouch ready? We're talking about preparing to exchange unfire.

    I dropped by Cheaper Than Dirt, and picked up a heavy nylon gas mask bag. This thing is highly over-engineered, and has side flaps and a large cover flap that closes with giant stips of velcro and a fastex buckle. It's about 10" square by 4.5" deep. It has large double-sewn loops on the back. I then found a 48" web 2" belt that that I hung the pouch off of. It slings nicely off the shoulder, over the shoulder (over the neck), or around the waist (it's infinitely adjustable).

    I bought a few Cylume sticks. I bought an extra LED flashlight. I found a length of strong cord (meaning to get 100' of 5/50 cord). I'm putting in an extra sharp small knife, a loaded pistol magazine, a 5 rd box of buckshot and a 2-rd speedloader with slugs, 2 30-rd AR mags, and a field dressing. I'm strongly thinking about buying some Quick Clot to put in the bag.

    What am I missing? I'm trying to keep weight DOWN. I've clearly got redundancies already-- I'm not going to be grabbing the AR and the shotgun at the same time. I don't want to bring foodstuffs (even water), because the idea is to get into the fight quick. If things go long, I'll send out for water.
    I'm considering a light thin handmirror for corners. Maybe a lady's compact?

    I'm thinking about putting in a pair of foam earplugs. Silly? Maybe. But when gunfire goes off indoors, you can get deafened in a hurry.

    So what else, if any?
     
  2. SomeKid

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    I wouldn't do the foam earplugs. Takes time to insert properly, and they reduce ALL sounds. You might want to be able to hear until the shooting starts. Maybe some inexpensive electronic muffs instead? (For HD I like muffs over plugs; quicker and doesn't reduce my ability to hear stuff as bad.)
     
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    This week I had a situation... Had to grab stuff to go to a situation where I would possibly have to deal with a vary large meth head, possibly with friends.

    I really wasn't all that prepared... Took about 15 minutes to grab stuff from various areas...

    So...

    The "go bag" is now sort of together... Some long zip ties in the bottom, then a bandolier of 12 gauge 00 buck inside 'em. It's got two handguns in holsters inside. Pouches on the outside have a few kotex and tampax, some misc small tools, a flashlight, and a buncha magazines. I grab it and the shotty, and I'm out the door in 30 seconds.
     
  5. Robert Hairless

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    Matt, have you looked at Eagle's Active Shooters Bag? It's made for that purpose. Two compartments, easily opened flap secured by velcro, unobtrusive carry handle, and quick release shoulder strap. In black, OD, or khaki: $29.36. This thing is fast on, fast off, fast open.

    It looks like the same bag available from Triad Tactical in multicam for $25.00. Here's a photo of the back to show the handle and strap. More photos on their web site.

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    Of course your gas mask bag might serve just as well but I thought I'd mention it.

    Also take a look at Bob Mika's pocket tactical mirror and note the folding handle and case:

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    Mika is leo by the way.

    I have a quirk that makes me include one or two clean, small, white, terrycloth towels in every bag I pack. Good for mopping sweat, staunching minor cuts, small tourniquet, bandana, headband, keeps stuff from rattling, picking up hot or sharp objects, weighs little. Might be worth considering.
     
  6. boredelmo

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    There are the plastic plugs connected by a band. Def better than looking for two little foam plugs. And any moisture would really mess up the integrity of the plugs.

    This might seem somewhat Mall ninja, but flashbangs and smoke grenades? I agree with the white towels also.
     
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    Maybe a short length of surgical tubing , some safety pins, and a small pack of wet wipes.
    Although you mentioned not needing water I would re-consider and put in one small bottle. (maybe 4 or 6 oz) The mouth can dry up real fast under stress.
     
  8. Manedwolf

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    Packet of Quik-Clot.

    Sure works for the people on the battlefield over there...
     
  9. BobTheTomato

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    Latex gloves.....a few pairs....you may also want a cpr mask with one way valve
     
  10. nhhillbilly

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    I carry a vest

    I decided to put an eagle vest in my discreet carry case by eagle also. The vest has a camelback type of water and 6 magazines. I plan on adding the following after attending the IALEFIAA terrorism conference in NJ in November.

    Miltary dessing, Quick clot II (It has a lot less heat).
    • Laerdal Pocket Mask™
    • Coban™ cohesive bandage (self-adherent)
    • Xeroform dressing or other non-adherent dressings
    • Bandage strips, tape wound closure
    • 4 x 4 gauze pads
    • Tape
    • Elastic wraps
    • Safety pinss
    • EMT shears
    • Cold compresses
    • Medications: acetaminophen, ibuprofen, triple antibiotic ointment, aspirin
    • Artificial tears (saline)
    • Antiseptic solution
    • Alcohol gel
     
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    If you've got a vest or such, a <1oz "drinking straw" type water filter never hurts, either. They'll stop e.coli and other issues, and can be just stuck in anything you're drinking water out of. EMS and other stores have them.
     
  12. Futuristic

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    Here's Mine

    Here's my Go Bag setup:

    I have the Multicam bag from Triad Tactical, it's a Killer Gear product.

    On the outside I have a small (think cord pull size) Compass. Have to know which way is which in a Tactical situation. I also have a Photon LED light attached to the outside for administrative lighting needs.

    The bag has two main compartments. One has my AR mags, the other my FAK and Miscellaneous.

    5 x 28rd AR Mags on the left, all with original Magpuls or Ranger Plates to ease removal and identify separate loadings by feel.

    On the right I have this: Spyderco Delica knife, LED Tactical light (currently a Huntlight), 8x Monocular (as small as I could find), Tactical Earplugs (the military green and yellow double-ended variety), 50 feet Paracord, Whistle, Flexcuffs, Zipties, Nitrile Gloves, Primed Gauze, 1 x Israeli Emergency Bandage, 1 x Cinch-Tight Bandage (large version), small packet of Band-Aids, Tourniquet, QuikClot, 4 Cyalume nightsticks - 2 12 hour Red (tactical) and 1 each 12 hour green and 30 minute White.

    I've considered adding a Multitool (i.e. Leatherman, Wave, etc.) to the bag, though I almost always have one on my person. If you don't normally carry one, they are incredibly handy, if only for the Wire Cutter and Screwdrivers.

    I'll have to consider the Pocket Mirror that someone posted above, that could be a good, light, addition.

    Add in some 12 gauge since you might grab a shotgun (I'm setup for all AR usage) and it's pretty complete.

    Futuristic
     
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    Is there some reason why you're taking a 5-round box of buck for the shotgun instead of a 5-round box of slugs? Is there a department policy that guides you? My reason for asking is that I assume your shotgun is loaded cruiser ready with 00 buck. If so, wouldn't it be wise to have the option for an aimed shot that would not risk stray pellets?

    Futuristic:

    Hotcha! These are excellent ideas. Thank you. Your recommendations of brands and models for those and other things would be most welcome.
     
  14. SniperStraz

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    Alot more important than Quick Clot...

    ...is a tourniquet. I keep a long latex one rolled up in my grab bag. Its a most have for arterial bleed out situations. Small binoculars like the little Bushnells might be in order too. Latex gloves for sure and maybe a couple flash-bangs if you can get your hands on 'em:D . My.02
     
  15. Matt G

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    Yeah, it was an Eagle bag that the guy who presented the course had.


    OC: On the belt.
    Latex gloves: On the belt.
    Sharp knife: I keep one on me, but I'll put a small one in the bag.
    Latex tubing/tourniquet: Next I run across some, I'll put some in.
    Zip ties: Good idea-- I'll probably put a few in from my patrol bag. (I've been carrying 'em for years)
    Water: Nope.
    Food: Nope
    Filtration system: Nope

    Heh. The shotgun has 4 slugs and two buckshot loads in it. The bag has a 5-round box, with three buck and two slugs in it. On the speedloader is two slugs. I find my count to be 8 slugs to 4 buckshot. :) I agree that, with good iron sights (my cruiser 870 has mediocre iron sights, a tac sling, and a SureFire foreend ), slugs are better in most situations.

    I don't have flashbangs.

    I'm trying to keep it very simple.

    Keep in mind that I may have run, people.
     
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    I assume you'll have a more complete patrol bag in your cruiser and this is just a quick "Grab and go" active shooter bag, correct? If so, I agree to keep it light and just have what you need for that situation kept all together.

    I agree that you should use a dedicated mirror with a handle instead of a ladies compact.

    I'd add a second pistol mag. Remember that you might be working as part of a very quickly thrown together entry team and you might want to distribute that mag to one of the other responders. For example, someone may have already fired shots and might be low or one of the responders might not have their full duty belt on for some reason. IIRC, the school resource officer at Columbine had fired off all, or nearly all, of his ammo by the time the first responding officers arrived. Someone like that, who knows the layout of the school, could be an asset for the entry team and if he's out of ammo he's not going to want to go in again. Being able to resupply him might make a difference.

    I'd also keep both the shotgun ammo and the AR mags for the same reason. You'll have ammo for whichever long gun you are using and can give the other ammo to whoever on the entry team has the other type of longgun.

    How about a couple of breaching rounds for the shotgun in case you encounter some locked doors? Or would the slugs work for that?
     
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    Sniper, while a tourniquet is a reasonable thing to have (they are lightweight and simple) if you put a tourniquet on an appendage you are essentially consigning yourself to amputation. You are also likely to lose the use of the appendage where while it may be painful a wounded arm/leg is more functional than some dead meat hanging where your arm used to be.

    When you are dealing with large bleeding wounds, you should first apply direct pressure to the wound area and elevate. This will stop most bleeding and will clot fairly quickly. If you are in one of the rare situations where it continues, apply pressure to the major artery (femoral - legs, brachial - arms) while continuing elevation. If blood loss is severe, and there is no hope for immediate evacuation, it might be time to apply the tourniquet. Don't forget to take some of that blood and write a T on your forehead to let everyone know there is a tourniquet in place just in case you pass out. While you may still lose your arm/leg this may give them a chance to save it.
     
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    Futuristic---What is "FAK", in regards to this sentence in your post?Never heard that term before.Thanks.(I'm guessing its some Army/Marine term a prior Navy squid like me wouldn't be familiar with, since most of us are highly allergic to bullets...) :D ;)
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    "...The bag has two main compartments. One has my AR mags, the other my FAK and Miscellaneous."
     
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    Thanks for braving the fire guys. :)

    I have a question though.. why a bag instead of an LBV or suchlike? If the aim is to be able to respond quickly (and I presume to be mobile), wouldn't something worn work better?
     
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    I would toss in a couple or three small pressure dressings. Something like the old "blow out" bandage. They're pretty small, light and self-contained. Perhaps keep a set of the soft rubber earplugs in a shirt pocket or something (quick in, no fuss and no bells ringing).

    I would think that mobility is king here.

    EK
     
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    You guys are seriously overcomplicating the prospect, here.

    - Ammo
    - Light
    - Torniquet/Quick Clot
    - Crow Bar
    - Maybe a knife

    That's all you need, really.
     
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    According to doctors on our team and at the ED a tourniquet will not have to cause the loss of the limb. Pressure dressing first but if that doesn't stop the bleeding tourniquet. A tourniquet can be applied with a cravate and a pen. Doesn't weight much or take much room. Once the threat is dealt with we will have to provide emergency first aid to victims.
     
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    I keep two pairs of balistic eye wear from wiley x by my grab and go bag. One pair dark for a daytime grab and one pair clear lens for night time. When bullets hit the walls around you they shatter the brick/dry wall. They wiil help keep you in the fight.
     
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