Father in law bought a High Point and...

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I had a .45ACP Hi Point for a few years and found it to be a reliable and fairly accurate weapon. I recently sold it, not because I didn't like it, but for other personal reasons--now I wish I hadn't. Sure, you can find a more finely-made or more-accurate gun, but probably not for the price of a Hi Point.

Based on your posts, I gather that you have experience with firearms as well as strong preferences for certain manufacturers. My recommendation is that you keep your opinions about Hi Point to yourself and let your gun-newby FIL form his own opinion about the gun based on his own experience shooting it. It doesn't matter how cheap the packaging looks when the gun arrives or how boxy and un-sexy the pistol looks; what matters is that your FIL enjoys his shooting experience with his first pistol. Help him along by teaching him the fundamentals with his pistol and, with luck, he'll enjoy the sport enough to move on to other "better" (whatever that means to him) pistols.
 
I think a High point tends to be more reliable out of the box than one heck of a lot of 2000 buck 1911 guns are. yes they are junk and ugly as hell but they do tend to go bang every time in a anoying way like a Mauser 7.63 does.
 
They are ugly as poop but mine has never failed me. I really think I could out shoot my xd's with it. Oh and the carbine is really neat.

Most of the haters have never even shot one.
 
Last week a buddy of mine told me he bought a new Hi Point 9mm, he laughed and said "I just got me a drop gun".
I told him there was a guy in my ccw class that didn't seem to have a problem with one. Then I told him the Gun Snobs won't like it but if it goes bang on demand and puts holes where you want em it really doesn't have to do much else now does it? Got a grin out of him and that's good enough for me.
 
I'm a firm believer in hi points when compared to other guns in the same price range. I also think they make a great truck gun due to reliability and PRICE
 
I have a HP 45 and it runs without a hiccup. I don't regret buying it in the least.
I think mine was around $200 OTD (philly prices). Pretty hard to find something in 45 that throws lead on demand cheaper than that. Certainly not the best gun I own, but I've handled much worse.

I owned 2 j-22 because I'm a glutton for punishment:eek:
 
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I took the thing to the range for further testing and to sight it in. It shot really low but after some adjustments I had it reliably hiting within an IDPA head (6x6") at 15 yards. Due to the atrociously creepy triger and short sight radius I did not attempt anything at 25 yards. It did not like CCI Blazers and several failed to feed into the chamber. I expected worse when I switched over to hollowpoints but was surprised when they ran 100%. Evidently the blasers were just not hot enough to drive the heavy slide all the way reaeward. This pistol operates as a straight blow back and requires a stout recoil spring to cycle the inordinantly heavy slide. The silvertips and some military FMJ had more vigorous recoil and functioned fine. The slide locks open after the last shot but there is no slide release lever at all. After inserting a fresh magazine you have to pull back on the slide. This required concederable effort (my other hobby is weight lifting). This presents a quandry. I really don't like the idea of keeping a pistol of this fine quality loaded in condition one with a round in the chamber but I would also be hesitant to keep it in condition three, (loaded magazine, empty chamber). If you fail to pull the slide all the way back before releasing it, it tends to hang up just like it did with the underpowered Blazer ammo. Those problems aside, it does work and is combat accurate though it is somewhat hard to shoot well. Once a 9mm bullet leaves the barrel it is just as deadly reguardless if it is fired from a 1500 dollar custom High power or this 150 dollar klunker. Do I recomend High Point? No. But it does shoot and maybe that is good enough to save a life.
 
I agree with what sohght said. I use mine as a “car” gun. I guess I would not show up with one on the range because of gun snobs… but maybe I will…
 
I'd say hi points in general represent some of the best bang for the buck in the entire firearms industry.

Especially their carbines. Even gun snobs usually won't say much in the way of criticism of Hi Point carbines.

Hi Point pistols aren't any worse than their carbines that I can see.

I'm probably going to get one of those Hi Point .45 carbines they showed at the SHOT show when they come out, and a Hi Point .45 pistol to go with it.

I'm sure it'll tide me over until I can both muster up the funds and locate a Kriss carbine.
 
Lists at a bit over $220 in the black finish. $235 for the camo finish. I don't think I'd worry too much about it.
"... best bang for the buck in the entire firearms industry..." Um, no. They're novelty firearms at best.
"...locate a Kriss carbine..." You're kidding aren't you?
 
What do I tell the man?
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Reaction to your first post: That your a gun snob that would rather make him feel bad about his cheap (and, according to the internet, generally reliable) pistol by being a blowhard? I am certain that you have a lovely collection, but could you be any more elitist about it?

Reaction to your follow up: Good job. Way to realize that it isn't the gun, it is the shooter.


I once got schooled by a 13 year old kid that shot a bolt-action 12 gauge with a nail as a bolt handle and a extractor so bad that he carried a knife specifically to pry the shells out between each shot. Humility can be hard, but in the long run you learn more with an open mind.
 
Ya know, if someone offered me a Hi-Point pistol as a gift, I would thank them and be genuinely pleased. Why? Quite simply stated...

Link: http://www.hi-pointfirearms.com/handguns/45acp/hi_point_45acp.html

...based on what I have heard and what I have experienced of Hi-Points (my carbine), they are inexpensive firearms, not cheap firearms. They are accurate enough to hit the target. They go "bang" when one pulls the trigger. They have a lifetime (to any owner) warranty.

I call that a lotta bang-for-the-buck. And don't even get me started again on the 5 custom shop 1911s that I paid between $1,000.00 to $2,000.00 that never were right.
 
Owen,
HPs are notorious for tight springs when new especailly in the mags. Have him run a 200 rounds through it or so and I suspect a lot of those issues will go away. Don't fill the mags to full capacity for that period as well. Additonally there are some thread on the hi point forums about spacing on the magazine lips.

take a look at this and see how his mags line up to the measurements. Typically blazer is regarded as very reliable in HPs.

My HP 380 has been great. It has been particularly good for new shooters. I start them on a 22, then the 380, then a browning hi power (clone) 9mm.
 
I bought a Hi-Point put a red dot scope on it, put it in my girlfrends hands(no gun experance at all) & she hit the target with all rounds. That to me is a good home defence weapon. I read somewhere that they have a lifetime warranty how many other guns at that price can do that?
 
I bought a Hi-Point put a red dot scope on it, put it in my girlfrends hands(no gun experance at all) & she hit the target with all rounds. That to me is a good home defence weapon. I read somewhere that they have a lifetime warranty how many other guns at that price can do that?
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I think thats the whole point though, for that price. Thats like saying that I bought a ford festiva and it gets the best gas mileage and starts up every day, its the best car ever build for the price.

There is a lot better out there, it just depends on whether or not you can afford it.
 
Hi point work. Its simple.

As a matter of fact, most guns work.

Some just have more of a snob factor.
 
HP pistols normally work reliably... but to say that "they dont jam...EVER" is a bit of an exageration.

Iv owned 3 HP pistols over the years, and while they run reliably most of the time, each one of them jammed at some point; i dont think i had more than 700 rounds through any of them.
 
I bought a 45 Hi-Point last spring for $149 from my dealer. In my family (dad and brothers) we now own 6 of them. I just bought another one for $158. Prices not including tax.

Dealer had new 9mm Hi Point for $129 and a 380 for $117. He also had a 9mm carbine that was $2?? sorry dont remember the price. Our experience with the 45's so far has been outstanding. Im am now shooting reloads also no problems. My brother in law has a glock 40 and he just bought a 45 hi point says he has less trouble with the hi point than the glock which cost him way more money. Just my two cents.
 
Hi Point just shows you how overpriced 99% of guns are. They can manufacture, sell and make a profit on a $150 gun.
 
Good on you for helping your FIL out. Nothing good can come out of making him feel bad about getting a HP. If it was me, I'd just try to be a good SIL. Give him a mag full of SD ammo, take him to the range with you, let him try shooting one of yours after he gets a little experience. If he starts getting into it, he'll upgrade. If not, he's only out $150 and still has a SD tool.
 
I hope you and your FIL have many fun-filled range trips ahead of you. Tell him how neat his new gun is. Show him the Hi-Point forum.

As for the rest of the discussion around here (about value, quality, prices, etc.), I've often wondered how much Kimber, Springfield, Kahr and others pay for those full-page back cover, inside front cover adds in all the gun rags. I'd like to pick one company (say Kimber), add up all their ad costs for one month, add up all sales, and see how much of the price of a gun is advertising. I'll bet it's enough to humble a few gun snobs.
 
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