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Discussion in 'Blackpowder' started by Steel Hayes, Jun 8, 2018.
I don't shoot my C&B guns much at all, but my exotic favorite is the Rigdon and Ansley. Fingers has a couple of them that are perfect.
I had a neighbor machinist cut extra bolt stop slots in a no-pins plain cylinder.
Cutout for helping to remove spent caps?
Pietta made 1860 Colt
(pic when I can get them took)
Pedersoli 1861 Springfield Rifled Musket.
(pic when I can get them took)
You mean these?
Fingers, those are the ones!
My Rogers and Spencer. With its conversion cylinder a few hours at the range allows me to shoot both metallic ammo, 45C followed by an hour or so of smoke and fire with 30 grain 3f and round ball.
My go to bp rifle is a Uberti "Santa Fe" Hawken .53 caliber. Super accurate and seems to like just about any charge. I don't know that I have a go to revolver. I think my Pietta 1858 Remington "Shooter's Model" would be just about perfect if it had slimmer grips and a lighter mainspring.
I have a pair of Pietta 1860 Army revolvers. Bottom one one in pic below was bought new from Dixie Gun Works. The top one was bought used off of Gunbroker. It came with the conversion cylinder only. I order the replacement BP cylinder for it. The used and abused one is my favorite - I like guns that already have a little character to them. That one came with some + the barrel wedge can be pushed out by hand. I need to peen the dovetail for loading lever retainer as it can slide out quite easily.
All of my Pietta 1851 Navy .36 "type" pistols have that from the factory. Manufactured from 2014 [CM] and newer. It is not a big cutout but it does help.
Goon has a much better method with his cap post. And if you watch any Duelist videos (Mike Bellivieuw sp?), upon firing the round, he turns the pistol skyward and to the right to expel any caps/fragments before re-cocking the pistol and never has a problem with those.
Cap removal cutout....
If you are that concerned about correct 1851 Navy .36 pistols, you can spend all of your time and life savings to collect all of what Sam Colt produced, and that is a whole lot more money than I have. I noticed that you have not even shown an 1851 with a cap groove in the recoil shield, as well as all of the grip variations. The Confederate 1851 copies are a completely different bunch, no matter if it is a Leech and Rigdon, a Charles Rigdon, or a Rigdon and Ansley.
The Pietta Griswold and Gunnison copy in .36 is in its own world. Very accurate but not a true copy. These are all Italian.
Suggestion: buy a copy of '51 Colt Navies by Nathan L. Swayze (1967) and have a look.
It will be an eye opener.
Have a good night, sir.
I have a Pietta 1851 from circa 1993 and it has the refered to cut out. Did Pietta ever make any without the cutout?
Nothing better than a Goonerized Walker in each hand!
My Cabin Creek, Pennsylvania "Mountain" Rifle in .54 flintlock. Seen a lot of woods and got a lot of venison with Trudy.
I am not concerned about the variations, I was merely asking if your Rigdon and Ansley has the cap cutout as I cannot see from the low resolution image you posted. It's my understanding that the cap cutout appeared when Rigdon took over operations. I hope I have not offended you by asking the question. Just trying to have a discussion about that nice firearm of which you provided a photo.
The Rigdon and Ansley I have is a variation of a Pietta 1851 Navy .36 steel frame round TG and has the cap cutout like many of the Pietta Navy .36 "type" revolvers. The pistol frame is a 2016 [CP] .
I like to mix and match parts to create somewhat historical variations.
The cap cutout was actually an original Colt 1851 Navy feature and G&G, and L&R, and Charles Rigdon, and Rigdon & Ansley were mere copies of Colt 1851 Navy pistols they had in hand.
I still want to see a replica 1851 Navy with the cap groove in the right recoil shield. Colt did not use it very long.
No offense whatsoever about the question. We are all here to learn, Sir.
"I still want to see a replica 1851 Navy with a cap groove in the right recoil shield. Colt did not use it very long."
Uberti uses those, Pietta does not. The few old Arm San Marcos '51s I've seen also did not.
I've never been entirely sure just exactly how this feature was intended to be used .....
Until you pointed this out, I never noticed it before.
You lay a cap on the groove opening towards the nipple and use your index finger to slide the cap onto the nipple.
I gotta see a pic of that.
Thanks! Simple really .... I was thinking there might have been a tool that used the groove.
Well, yea -- the INDEX FINGER! Duuhhhh.
My Pietta 60 has the grove. The brass framed G&G wannabe (in .44) doesn't though.
As for my favorite? ALL OF THEM! LoL If I had to choose though, it'd probably be my snub nosed Pietta 60 with thunderer grips, followed a close second by my 5.5" Peitta Remington. The remmi is second because I REALLY wish I had gotten my Remingtons as Ubertis... Prefer Pietta for Colts though.
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