February Rimfire Match:

[Geno]

Maverick:
Thanks for the kind words. Indeed the mounts are awesome. I still place a few drops of red LocTite between the receiver and mount to keep it very solidly in place, and blue LocTite on the crossbolts. Then again, I'm the character who epoxies my 1913 rails to my centerfire recivers. They ain't goin' nowheres!

Yes, now I have to get to the 50 yard line, and do a finish of the the zeroing for small game hunting, and then...shoot a target for a score. I also noticed the groups settled in as I got a bit more trigger pulling. When I shoot 300 yard centerfire for groups, I typically start out with at least 10 rounds of rimfire to ready my finger.

I'll try the Savage Mark II with both its iron sights and optic tomorrow as well. I printed out 10 rimfire targets, and 10 centerfire targets for over on Dale's thread. I'm good-to-go!

prid93:
Thank-you. Yes, I was happy with the groups as per being fired off-hand. Regarding the Mueller scopes, yes, they are very nice. I tend to provide a link to products I have a favorable impression toward, such as Mueller. They aren't Leupolds or Nightforce, but they also don't cost nearly $2,000.00 either. For a point of rationality (the most scope for the least money on a rimfire), the Mueller is nice.

If I were to make the purchase again, I would purchase the Tactical version of the 4.5-14 for a mere $169.00! Mueller link: http://www.muelleroptics.com/products/MT451440 MidwayUSA link: http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct/default.aspx?productNumber=119010 . The following is the link for the BKL mount in 30MM scope tube: http://www.bkltech.com/30mm_4x0_6_Rings_6_Screw_Unitized_Dovetail_Mount_p/bkl-360.htm

More targets to follow: iron sights at 25 yards, and optics at 50. Onward and upward! I already placed my targets & my sling in my rifle case. Memory isn't going to fail me next time...so long as I remember to put the rifles in too.

Geno

 

[Maverick223]

Memory isn't going to fail me next time...so long as I remember to put the rifles in too.

Hehehe; I look forward to it (not forgetting the rifles, but instead shooting them). You have set a high benchmark with your offhand shooting (without a sling, no less)!

 

[Geno]

Maverick:

Yeah...but, I can't do that at 50 yards...off hand. Seated, probably. For the 50 yard, I'll be on the bench, or seated, but resting over a backpack or sandbag. I always try to shoot targets the same way in practice as I do deploying the same firearm while hunting.

Problem is, with shots in the 25 yards range, there's never a bench readily available. It's really just concentration, breath-control and trigger control. All the same, there's tons of fellas who shoot a Hades of a lot better than I. But, tomorrow the range with 25, 50 and 100 yard lanes is open. And I don't have to work until Monday! Dang, I can live at the range! Today, I only had access to a 25 yard range.

Geno

 

[Maverick223]

Yeah...but, I can't do that at 50 yards...off hand. Seated, probably.

That's nothing at all to be ashamed of...most folks can't either (even at 25yds). Off-hand is not a prerequisite, any position is fine, as is a sling...same for a rest (though it will automatically throw you into the target category).

 

[Geno]

Odd first-time experience here: I have never before run-out of vertical adjustment, downward!

I took the Savage Mark II to the range, to test 25 yards using iron sights. The first group was way high. Second group was high. I kept adjusting down, and the closest it will come to zero is about 2" high?! And that is with the sight blade completely removed. So, either I need a higher front sight, or an after-market peep sight on rear.

Too, the groups were consistently about 2" left of zero. Aiming at zero, they groups are impacting, on average, at about 10:30. I'm thinking that I'll either have to move the front sight left, or the rear sight to the right a bit. Hard part is, there is no lateral adjustment on the rear sight.

I'll post the target and get some feed back as to which adjustment makes most sense. Now that I wear bifocals, I seldom use the iron sights. When I do use iron sights, I use a peep sight. These open sights are more problematic, but not insurmountable. Thanks in advance...target to be posted as soon as I get time to scan it.

Okay...targets. Target 1 of 2 shows the POA to POI issue. I placed a red dot for the POA. That is a massive difference to the POI. Thoughts? Perhaps a rear peer sight form Williams is in order, and that would allow me to make both vertical and lateral adjustments. It also would correct my bi-focaledness.

Target number 2 of 2, I decided to "test" the ammo to the rifle simply to rule-out that the rifle simply didn't fire this Eley Sport ammo well. There's definitely nothing bad about those groups fired off-hand through the rifle with the Leupold 4X rimfire scope. So, I can rule-out ammo, or rifle's barrel. definitely have an open-sight issue.

So, what are thoughts on after-market peep sights? Experiences?

Geno

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[Maverick223]

Well my experience with the Savage Mk. II has been really good, except for the irons, they aren't the best IMO. For the time being I would try to adjust the front sight a bit and see how that does. In the long run a aperture sight would be a good investment (at least if it were my rifle). IIRC Williams makes a receiver sight for your rifle, I have a couple of them on other rifles and they have performed well. BTW, I recommend the TK, target knob version unless you plan to use it for hunting in thick areas.

 

[Geno]

Maverick:

That's what I'm thinking too. I do think I'll go straight the the peep sight, with target knobs of course. I live only about 45 minutes away from Williams. Sounds like a road trip is in order.

Thanks for the feedback.

Geno

 

[Maverick223]

No problem, hope it works out well for you.

 

[Maverick223]

Geno, I Just wanted to add that there seems to be a Lyman's sight available as well (I can't tell whether it requires D&Ting a new hole on the side of the receiver or not), it is steel instead of Al., but a little more costly too. I'd probably see Williams has for your rifle first.

 

[Geno]

Very cool. Thanks...I like steel I'll have to check both.

Geno

 

[Maverick223]

In that case here is a link to the sight in question. FWIW, I don't think you could go wrong with either.

 

[Geno]

Thanks for the link. That's a good looking sight.

Geno

 

[Maverick223]

Happy be of some service; I think you'll find both the Lyman's and William's to do quite well (if their centerfire counterparts are any indication), but I have to agree the Lyman's the better looking of the two.

P.S.: I want to see some targets after you decide and mount.

 

[mcdonl]

Time to put the Mossberg 151M to the test!

 

[Maverick223]

That is a full-stock (Mannlicher) version, isn't it? That may not help, but the older Mossbergs tend to do pretty well. I'm eager to see you results as well (& a photo of the rifle).

 

[mcdonl]

No, someone hacked off the stock extension - The good news is they did a very good job of it.

 

[Maverick223]

Still a pretty good lookin' rifle, and honestly it will probably shoot a bit better because of it.

 

[9X23WIN]

I gave it a go today, but it was for naught. This whole week has been raining pretty hard and today's forecast was for much of the same. But when I got to the range, I was surprised to see so many other shooters firing away.
Because of the heavy fog and poor visibility on the 50/100 yd line, I started with my Browning BL-22 lever action rifle with open sights at the 25yd range. After setting up the target and upon getting back to the firing line, I couldn't make out the little targets!! They needed to be darker, bolder and possibly bigger! Anyway, I gave it my best try shooting offhand and just estimated where the bulls were. Targets 1 and 2 had four holes each, 3 and 4 had two only. So I guess that's a DQ or a big zero.
The rain started to pick up after my 25yd fiasco, so I decided not to shoot the 541T at the 50yd line.

 

[Maverick223]

Targets 1 and 2 had four holes each, 3 and 4 had two only. So I guess that's a DQ or a big zero.

Naw, just take the lower score from the ones with the extra holes. I don't think anyone here is going to accuse you of cheating. Feel free to color in one (or several) of the rings to make it more visible.

 

[gathert]

Looks like I'll have to jump in on this next month. Considering my Savage 93 BTVSS can do 1 MOA groups at 100" in no wind and me not pulling shots, this should be pretty easy at 50 yards Want to start a 100 yard division?

 

[Maverick223]

Welcome, gathert! We usually do a 50/100yd (for irons & optics, respectively) match a few times during the warmer months. There are simply too many folks that can't get to outdoor ranges, and haven't access to a 100yd. indoor range, during the winter months (due to inclement weather). That said, using a .22cal. rimfire 100yds is a great deal more difficult than you might think (your .17HMR will fare a bit better, but wind, even a little, will still pose a formidable challenge).

 

[Coal Dragger]

Man I really want to get in on this match with my new Cooper M57 laminate sporter with a 2.5-8X36mm Leupold on top, which I guess would be a sporter/optics rifle. Just need a break from work, and our nasty winter weather. It is snowing..... again.... as I write this. I love the Black Hills since I relocated here, and I love snow but enough is enough already, I have shooting, fishing, and mountain biking to do dammit!

 

[Maverick223]

CD, your rifle would be fine for sporting/optics. How much would you hate me if I told you our weather has been clear and in the 70s as of late?

 

[prid93]

I'm with you Coal Dragger. I was planning on shooting another target this weekend but we can expect another 6-10 inches heading into the weekend :banghead:. Hopefully I can still get out and test the new Mueller scope. Maverick, I cant wait for it to hit 70 again.

 

[Maverick223]

I just hope it stays this way (it isn't exactly typical Feb. weather)...speaking of which, it is a bit cooler today, but still nothing to complain about.