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Federal’s 327 Magnum is a griz cartridge

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  1. Weflyfast

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    Ok- hope I don't offend anyone BUT YOUR NUTS!.....I lived in griz country and would not be caught dead with a 9mm...38....327 anything....or maybe I would be dead...hmmmm...

    Thanks but- heavy magnum lead for me....
     
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  2. Weflyfast

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    Oh....and "hunting bears" and stopping a charging pissed off sow are two completely different things.....
     
  3. mnrivrat

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    I am going to try to explain my opinion using the bear equivalent of Trigonometry.
    1 human + 1 9mm handgun + 1 grizzly bear (adult) = lots of bear scat
     
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    Ah....the same comparison and conclusion I've been drawing for years.

    The .327 Federal fired from a revolver- "....it’s clear the cartridge has the right stuff for coyotes, deer and even felonious fiends." americanrifleman.org, April 2010

    Yet the M1 Carbine chambered in .30 Carbine, with the same weight bullets as a .327, bests it by 300-400 fps, but has by and large for decades been considered useful ONLY for plinking and hunting small game.


    The subject of the 10mm Auto cannot be discussed without its merits as a bear defense cartridge floating to the top of the conversation. Why, ol' Uncle Ted even whacked a Cape Buffalo with one!

    Yet even in its most powerful loading, the 10mm is slightly less powerful than the ancient 38 WCF loaded with a case full of modern black powder and a heavy cast bullet and fired from a carbine or rifle.


    The 44 Magnum and 45 Colt +P loadings are touted as capable of taking most any animal that walks our planet.

    Yet their heaviest, most powerful loads loads fall significantly behind a 45-70 300 gr. load designed to be fired in old Trapdoor Springfield's.


    And then of course there's the 9mm and Mr. Shoemaker unintentionally setting the internet forums afire by killing a grizzly with a 9mm and Buffalo Bore loads.

    Yet I remember a time when you'd have been called an idiot if you carried a .35 Remington rifle for bear defense.

    My how times have changed....

    35W
     
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  5. Vern Humphrey

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  6. JohnKSa

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    What velocity/bullet weight are you using for the .38 WCF in this comparison?
     
  7. 35 Whelen
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    The bullet on the right is a 192 gr. FP. Loaded over 2.2 cc (28 gr.) of Pyrodex P it averages 1386 fps out of my ancient '73 Winchester. The same bullet loaded over 2.2cc (33.0 gr.) of Swiss 3Fg averages 1425 fps.

    35W
     
  8. JohnKSa

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    Ah, yes, that makes sense. Even though I quoted your comment, I focused on the numbers and didn't quite fully realize that the comparison was between 38WCF out of a rifle/carbine and 10mm out of a pistol.
     
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  9. algebraman

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    If you go with the 9mm, 327, or 10mm, make sure you file off the front sight before you go out.
     
  10. Stophel

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    All I can say is that it must be nice just to be able to be somewhere that grizzly bears are.
     
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  11. Michael Tinker Pearce

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    I remember decades ago reading an article about how .35 Remington from a TC Super 14 Contender was an excellent load for shooting African lions! yet fired from a rifle it was considered laughably inadequate for that use in a Rifle... I guess some things never change.

    No much chance I'll run into a Grizzly where I'm hunting. I have a short-barrel .41 magnum under the off chance that a bear happens upon me while cleaning a deer or pooping or whatever, but the revolver is there because it's better than not having one, not because I think I'm likely to need it or that it will be useful if I do.
     
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    So much creative language using extreme absolutes and hyperbole on this thread to justify hating everything and being grumpy old men... The worst of The High Road, even in "jest".

    "They say 9mm is the ultimate bear round"... No one says that, making extreme claims to disprove those claims is absurd and not smart.

    "These dang kids and their 9mm and 10mm and 11mm... Using metric when this is 'Merica!!"

    From the website that touts shot placement over power, there sure are plenty of people hating on moderate handgun calibers in favor of super mega magnums.

    Yes, I carry an auto loader (45 Super) in bear country. Yes, I know it's not a 454 Casull. No, I don't want a 500 S&W.
     
  13. captain awesome

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    Yeah I guess to echo what others have said...I find it puzzling as well that no one would consider a 30 carbine or 30-30 a good choice yet 327FM is ok? Seems silly to me. Give me at minimum a 44mag (I have handguns in 44 mag, 445 super mag, 480 ruger, 454 casull, and 500 mag all small enough for woods carry /large animal defence) and would rather have a heavy loaded 30 cal or larger rifle hands down if I had to stop something large coming at me. But rifles are hard to carry on your hip hands free. So we compromise. But why anyone would choose such a thing as 9mm or 327 to stop a grizzly is just beyond me. I don't care if it carries 17 rounds. I'd rather stop it with the first one than the 17th. If its all you can handle shooting....maybe dont go where grizzlies might attack.
     
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    The comparisons are funny, I mean......even a 30-30 is leaps and bounds more powerful than the vast majority of handgun rounds including the 44 magnum......but it's not considered a real bear stopper.

    Kinda like 410 out of a long barrelled shot gun is considered weak but chop of all the barrel and put it in a revolver? It's suddenly super powerful even though it's super nuetered.
     
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  15. jski

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    Guys, when I started this thread, I understood that even the most ardent 327 Federal Mag fanboy wouldn’t ever consider advocating their cartridge as a griz-stopper. I said this in jest after reading the many claims regarding the 10 and even 9 as what you need in griz country. And since the 9 can’t ballistically match the 327, I thought: Well hell, if the 9 is an adequate griz cartridge then so must the 327!
     
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    Thread tend to go on their own direction, just like teenagers. Parents often sit back and wonder what just happened.
     
  17. adcoch1

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    Griz cartridge or not, I want a 327 mag single 7 bisley!...
     
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  18. horsey300

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    The only thing stopping the .327 from grizz status is a lack of proper 115 (ish) Barnes fodder availability! :neener:
     
  19. Mr. Mosin

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    Meh. If little ole *me* went to grizzly territory, I'd prefer, *at the minimum* a shotgun with slugs and a .44 Magnum or or screaming .45 Colt on my hip. I prefer to go with what works.
     
  20. Blue Brick

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    I can name one. Charter.
     
  21. SDGlock23

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    All this talk of the 327 makes me want one. No seriously about a month ago I had a huge hankering for getting into the 327 but didn't pull the trigger. Maybe one of these days.
     
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    Any in stock?
     
  23. buck460XVR

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    Officially to who? If I was picking a handgun caliber to hunt Grizzly bear, a 130gr, .312 bullet traveling at a measly 1300FPS would not be my first choice, nor would it even be in the top ten. As SD against them, it would be even farther down the list. Can it work? sure it can, so could a .380 under the right circumstances and scenario.
     
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    Always wanted one of those...
     
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    Grizzly Adams maybe, but for the bear? ⚰️
     
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