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Discussion in 'Handguns: General Discussion' started by Smokepole14, Feb 11, 2020.

  1. Smokepole14

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    Anybody heard or gotten any of the new punch ammo federal came out with? It looks very similar to the hst round. Curious to see how it performs compared to the hst at the price they’re offering it at. Seems like it’s worth a try federal makes good stuff.
     
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    The pictures of the expanded rounds look like a bonded version of the HST.
     
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    The price seems to line up around Hornady's American Gunner XTP. Not as cheap as your run of the mill Winchester or Remington JHPs, but a bit less than the premium stuff. I'm interested in seeing how it performs. Somebody should send a box to Paul Harrell so we can get some meat target action.
     
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    I agree nothing like a good ole meat target test!
     
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    I was about to say that they look like HST's but the "100% weight retention and impressive expansion" advertising point doesn't match up because that is typical nomenclature for a bonded bullet.

    Let me put on my conspiracy theorist hat for a minute:
    When was the last time you saw Federal Tactical Bonded ammo?
    This stuff: https://www.targetsportsusa.com/fed...ctical-bonded-hollow-point-le9t1-p-58575.aspx
    It does not have the name recognition of HST's or Gold Dot's. It is the red headed stepchild of Federal's LE line. In fact, it was since it's not on Federal's LE specific site anymore.

    This makes me wonder if the Punch bullets are the Tactical bonded bullet, but with the skived window dressing of the HST via a forming die.
    The marketing specifically aims at civilians via 20rd boxes.
    The marketing says, "Federal designed this 9mm Luger to meet or surpass FBI ammunition testing procedures putting it through intense testing including 10% ordinance gelatin, steel, wallboard, plywood, laminated automobile safety glass and gelatin covered in heavy clothing." Federal wouldn't go to that expense to sell Joe Average a box of 20.

    But as I read more, I don't think it is the Tactical bonded.

    It's not advertised as a bonded bullet, but a jacketed hollow point.
    https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog...mium-punch-defensive-handgun-ammunition-line/
    The high res image is a very plain looking expansion that doesn't appear bonded and you can plainly see a cannelure. It does not appear to be bonded since the tops of the petal don't have lead on them, the cannelure for mechanical fastening is a feature (not required for bonded bullets in autoloaders), and the low price point.

    This makes me wonder if it is simply an HST jacket with a different lead core composition, since they advertise that it's softer and they say CCW holders don't typically need to shoot through barriers.
    https://www.outdoorhub.com/news/2020/02/09/shot-show-2020-federal-punch/
    It could be that Federal just made the lead core softer so that doesn't tear into a pretty petals like the HST, but just piles up, expands more, and could be offered at a lower price point.
    The marketing compares it against Hornady Critical Defense and Sig V-crown, ammo typically for the CCW market and not the LE market.

    Notice that they don't give any gel test data, but just that it meets the FBI requirements. Since the expansion is more, I bet the penetration is lower and it meets it but isn't that impressive.
    I bet it's a good value.
     
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    cougar1717, I bet you are right. Same outside jacket as the HST but with a softer lead core to maximize expansion. I noticed the pictures doesn’t have the pretty flower petal look that the hst does. I would bet as well it penetrates around 13 inches in gel and preform similar to Hornady critical defense.
     
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    Edit: I see someone already covered the Tactical Bonded possibility.

    I was hoping as I really liked the LE9T5, LE40T3 and LE45T1 (Currently in my Shield).
    Hated it when it disappeared off their LE Website.

    Gold Dot .40 S&W $0.50 Round
    Sig V-Crown .40 S&W $0.42 Round

    If they can beat Gold Dot in performance and V-Crown on pricing I'm in.
     
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    They're being marketed in almost the same packaging as HST's. I wonder if their running a slightly lower spec powder (less flash suppression mainly), and possibly different primers than HST for the civilian market at a slightly lower price point than HST. Honestly same bullet, but with a bigger fireball, and a couple bucks cheaper, I'd certainly not feel bad about buying a bunch.
     
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    Has anyone noticed the expanded .45 ACP 4LD round could be mistaken for a Winchester SXT?.

    I believe the SXT was originally designed for a contract specifying shorter barrels. The similarity might not be happenstance.
     
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