FedEx says the little people can no longer ship firearms...only certain FFL's

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  1. dogtown tom

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    https://www.fedex.com/content/dam/fedex/us-united-states/services/Service_Guide_2021.pdf

     
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    So, not only do you have to have an Account, but also be part of the SCA, too?
     
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    That will be a can of worms for somebody needing to return a faulty firearm to the manufacturer huh???
     
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    Just dropped them completely.

    And that's me being nice about it. I wonder if they're woke? Or if the ATF is coming down on them because their Memphis Tennessee hub steals thousands of firearms every year?

    FedX is a terrible shipping company.
     
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    Seems like UPS for the win then.

    Fedex has been trying to get away from firearms for years as they have too many stolen by their employees.
     
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    I don't think being woke has anything to do with it. But from the increasing number of complete idiots shipping to me, I'm about to stop accepting shipments from nonlicensees.


    :scrutiny: Where are you getting this from? While I have no doubt that there are thefts at any carrier, "thousands of firearms a year"? Malarkey.


    FedEx is no worse than USPS or UPS.
     
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  7. twarr1

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    I just called Ruger this afternoon about sending in a pistol for repair. They offered me FedEx or UPS. I chose UPS because they’ll come get it.
    CS rep said I’d have to take it to a “FedEx owned shipping center that accepts hazardous goods” if I chose FedEx.
     
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    I don't know about thousands per year, but a quick search (Google FedEx Memphis gun thefts) shows hundreds at time from UPS, ConWay, FedEx.

    Oct 2, 2018 "Two Charged In Theft Of Nearly 370 Guns From Memphis UPS Facility"
    CBS Chicago: "One Chicago man is in federal custody, and another is on the run, after more than 350 firearms were stolen from a UPS distribution center in Memphis, and later turned up in south suburban Midlothian"

    Jul 14, 2016 "WREG Investigation finds guns being stolen from cargo shipping companies"
    Channel 3 News Memphis: "[2014] a mis-delivered pallet of Colt 45 handguns shipped through Con-Way finally reached their correct destination. Many of the guns were missing, but ATF won’t say how many." Con-Way refused to talk to WREG3. "It also happens at FedEx." Glocks to an FFL intended for transfer to LE and FFLs disappeared. WREG3: "FedEx declined to talk with us too."

    Jul 17, 2016 "Gun Theft A Concern In Memphis" Summary by Insurance Marine News
     
  9. bikerdoc

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    We at my p/t job have stopped using UPS ad have 31 open claims with FedEx.
    Some of their distribution centers are overrun with theft and the drivers are no better.
     
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    Well, in my experience FedEx sucks anyway, I already avoid them when possible. I’ve had better luck with UPS, not that they are great or anything, just better… again in my experience.

    just last month I had delivery secluded for the 2nd and I think I got if on the 17th or 18th.
     
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    That violates the UPS tariff:
    Getting Your Firearm Shipment to UPS
    Firearms (including handguns) may be shipped only through a UPS Scheduled Pickup Account using various UPS pickup services, or through a UPS Customer Center (counters at UPS operational facilities). Note: Firearms (including handguns) are not accepted for shipment via UPS Drop Boxes or UPS On-Call Pickup®, and may not be tendered to or dropped off at locations of The UPS Store®, any third party retailer, or any UPS Access Point™ location.


    CS rep is an idiot.
     
  12. herrwalther

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    Fedex in my area is terrible. I ordered some manganese phosphate from Brownell's to keep in stock. The box was so beat, half the chemical was gone and I had to get a replacement bottle sent. They weren't on my consideration list for a carrier when/if I get my 07.
     
  13. twarr1

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    How is this “violating the UPS tariff”? Ruger is scheduling the pickup. Not me.
     
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    I figure the change in FedEx policy is equal parts wanting to avoid controversy and hoping to help solve internal problems... and all of it driven by lawyers internally.... The catch phrase regarding firearms, and everything surrounding them for any company (or government agency...) is simply liability...

    All of this I'm sure would make anyone in a third world country laugh and shake their heads in my opinion...
     
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    That is the way I do it also , UPS is easy to deal with . They pick it up and bring it back, No FFL involved on my end . I live out in the sticks , saves me time and money by having the driver pick it up .
     
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    FedEx was one of the most reliable shipping companies a couple decades ago. It is now one of the least reliable. I say that based on my experience and what I hear from people that ship much more freight than I do.
    Since the pandemic it has become even worse. Like every other industry, shipping companies can't hire enough help.
     
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    Quit Fedex since they are really anti gun anyway. They have their hubs posted with 30.06 signs and I don't patronize places such as these. I use my UPS hub with no issues as long as I have the the FFL info on the label when I drop them off...
     
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    I just found out that I can now only get real black powder shipped by FedEx. None of the other shipping firms will handle it any more. FedEx is notoriously unreliable in my area, and I can foresee the time when even FedEx will no longer ship Black Powder. BP is almost impossible to find locally due to the storage requirements, so most of my BP is from mail order, but for how much longer I don't know.
     
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    Note: Firearms (including handguns) are not accepted for shipment via UPS Drop Boxes or UPS On-Call Pickup®,

    Whether Ruger scheduled the pickup is immaterial.
     
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    UPS On-Call Pickup would be if I originated a shipment from my residence.

    UPS Authorized Return Service would be if a UPS account holder such as Ruger issued instruction to pickup a package from my private non UPS account residence. I didn't see anything prohibiting this, did I overlook it?
     
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    If the package is not marked as a handgun, how do they know to steal it? Also, I have never seen a no-gun sign in a Fedex location in years.
     
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    "On call" is ANYONE calling or scheduling a one time pickup as opposed to those accounts that have a daily scheduled pickup.
    https://www.ups.com/us/en/help-center/packaging-and-supplies/special-care-shipments/firearms.page
    How to Ship Firearms or Ammunition
    Special Procedures for Shipping Firearms
    UPS accepts packages containing firearms (as defined by Title 18, Chapter 44, and Title 26, Chapter 53 of the United States Code) for transportation only (a) between licensed importers, licensed manufacturers, licensed dealers, and licensed collectors (as defined in Title 18, Chapter 44 of the United States Code), and government agencies and (b) where not otherwise prohibited by federal, state or local law (i) from an individual to a licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, licensed dealer, or licensed collector; and (ii) from a licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, licensed dealer, or licensed collector to an individual.

    The shipper must comply with and must ensure that each shipment containing firearms complies with all federal, state and local laws applicable to the shipper, recipient, and package, including, without limitation, age restrictions.

    Use These UPS Services for Your Firearm Shipment
    Handguns, as defined by 18 U.S.C. § 921, will be accepted for transportation only via UPS Next Day Air Services, specifically, UPS Next Day Air® Early, UPS Next Day Air®, and UPS Next Day Air Saver®. (Note: UPS Express Critical™ Service is not available for firearms).

    UPS accepts firearm parts for shipment, provided the part is not a "firearm" as defined under federal law; the contents of the package cannot be assembled to form a firearm; and the package otherwise complies with federal, state, and local law. (Note: Receivers or frames of a firearm and firearm mufflers/silencers (also referred to as suppressors) are considered "firearms" and are accepted for transportation only if shipped in accordance with UPS's requirements for shipping firearms.)

    UPS does not accept automatic weapons, including machine guns, for shipment. Firearms (including handguns) and firearm parts are not accepted for shipment internationally. UPS Returns® Services are not available for packages containing firearms.

    Packing and Labeling Requirements for Firearms
    All firearms must be shipped in new corrugated packaging which meets the UPS Single Wall Box Strength Guidelines.

    All firearms are to be packaged in accordance with UPS Packaging Guideline Specifications. Ammunition must be shipped separately from packages that contain firearms (including handguns).

    Packages containing handguns must be separated from other packages tendered to UPS for delivery.

    The shipper must use Delivery Confirmation Adult Signature Required and Direct Delivery Only services for each package containing a firearm, including a handgun or a firearm suppressor, and affix a UPS label requesting an adult signature upon delivery.

    The labeling and outer box markings on all firearms shipments should not identify the contents as containing a firearm. Labeling, including the shipper's and consignee's abbreviated names on the shipping label or air shipping document, must be non-descriptive.

    Getting Your Firearm Shipment to UPS
    Firearms (including handguns) may be shipped only through a UPS Scheduled Pickup Account using various UPS pickup services, or through a UPS Customer Center (counters at UPS operational facilities). Note: Firearms (including handguns) are not accepted for shipment via UPS Drop Boxes or UPS On-Call Pickup®, and may not be tendered to or dropped off at locations of The UPS Store®, any third party retailer, or any UPS Access Point™ location.

    When you are shipping a package that contains a handgun, you must verbally notify the UPS driver or UPS Customer Center clerk.

    See the UPS Tariff/Terms and Conditions of Service - United States and the UPS Rate and Service Guide in effect at the time of shipping ("UPS Terms") for information regarding firearm and ammunition shipments.
     
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    I messed up my post regarding shipping real black powder. FedEx will no longer ship black powder. Only way is by UPS. for how long who knows.
     
  25. ejfalvo

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    Back to the OP statement, not sure if I misread the initial comment....... I dropped a pistol off at FedEx to ship to Sig last week - no problems. I'm not an FFL and while my wife says I'm fat, I'm still one of the little people.
     
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