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Feinstein wants AWB renewed....

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  1. fjolnirsson

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    June 26, 2005, 12:48AM
    Expired gun ban still worries some
    Sen. Feinstein wants law reborn, despite no proof of increased crime
    By DAVID WHITNEY
    Mcclatchy News Service

    WASHINGTON - It's been 10 months since the federal assault weapons ban expired, and for an idea of what's happened since then, pick up a copy of a gun magazine.
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    There you will find ads for semiautomatic rifles and pistols looking like something out of a war zone, with clips holding 30 or 40 cartridges — many features that 11 months ago U.S. manufacturers could not include and gun stores could not sell.

    "Since the assault weapons ban was allowed to expire, it has been open season for criminals who want the most dangerous types of military-style assault weapons," declared Sen. Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif., who in March introduced legislation to revive the old ban.

    Feinstein said the expiration of the ban she fought for in 1994 "will have deadly consequences on the streets of America."

    Hard to measure
    But has it really made much of a difference? Are the streets less safe?

    There is no hard evidence, one way or another.

    The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms has no statistics that would show whether there's been an increase in sales of assault-style weapons, and the Justice Department has no statistics that would show whether there's been an increase in their use in crimes.

    Gunmakers say their shops are busy, but only because the ban created pent-up demand.

    "It's changed our market a bit," said Mark Westrom, president of Armalite, an Illinois company that produces the military-style weapons. But Westrom said the company is not selling anywhere near the volume that many gun-control advocates forecast.

    Sandy Abrams, a board member of the National Rifle Association who owns Valley Gun of Baltimore, said he's seen a drop in sales of the guns at his urban store.

    "It's not like there was this groundswell of demand," he said. Abrams said manufacturers never stopped making what are commonly called assault weapons. They just made guns that got around the ban.

    Even among advocates of gun-control legislation, there is no agreement on whether the expiration of the ban is a disaster in the making, as Feinstein claims, or the quiet death of a law that had no teeth.

    Eric Howard, spokesman for the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence, said that just because there are no statistics to prove it does not mean the expiration of the ban hasn't had a negative effect.

    What's most disturbing, he said, is that the free-flowing U.S. marketplace for military-style rifles comes as gang violence is reaching horrific levels.

    "Now manufacturers are kicking it up and we're seeing things like fingerprint-proof resistant grips," he said. "That's clearly to attract a niche that's not your regular duck hunter."

    Hard to enforce
    The federal ban outlawed U.S.-built ammunition clips holding more than 10 bullets and a handful of specific models. But mostly it prohibited the manufacture and sale of guns with a combination of specified features, such as a flash suppressor, a folding stock and a bayonet lug.

    In the months after the ban's expiration, gun-control advocates took heart that several states began to look at enacting their own laws, patterned after California's, to keep military-style weapons out of gun shops.

    Feinstein says there is little support in Congress to strengthen an assault weapons law. So she has reintroduced the old ban on the theory that something is better than nothing. She has the endorsement of many organizations, including police officers associations.
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  2. rick_reno

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    This is news?
     
  3. R.H. Lee

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    Yeah, well don't let the facts get in the way of a good tantrum, I always say :rolleyes:

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  4. Kingcreek

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    now THIS is news...
    these people must have no shame
     
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    Feinstein wants AWB renewed, I want her to go away. Wish in one hand....
     
  7. Standing Wolf

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    She can't turn the United States into the Soviet Union, so she'll settle for East Germany if she has to.
     
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    Oh, shut the hell up already.
     
  9. gc70

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    Every member of Congress wants at least one hallmark piece of legislation as their enduring legacy. Unfortunately for her, Feinstein's expired. It's too bad that Feinstein's tenure in Congress hasn't also expired.
     
  10. Biker

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    A looney toon baby for sure. On the other hand, Dubya has stated that we shouldn't be able to own "assault weapons" and he stated that he would sign an AWB if it crossed his desk.
    Our system is full of *bad guys* and they're bad regardless of their party affiliation.
    Biker :rolleyes:
     
  11. Justin

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    Translation: We got nuthin' but we're still going to fight like we actually have something. :rolleyes:
     
  12. Farnham

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    So nobody has ANY statistics showing that evil bayonet lugs and flash hiders have contributed to the decline of Western Society lately? What a surprise...

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    I laugh at her feeble attempts.
     
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    Assault Weapon

    Steve' s Dictionary

    Assault Weapon :

    -Person whom uses lies, deceit , mis-information , mi-interprets the Constitution of these United States.

    -Person whom fails to uphold the Constitution of these United States - instead breaks the oath to defend against all enemies foreign and domestic.

    -Any medium used to facilate Tyranny.

    Therefore in the context of definitons above - yes we should ban assault weapons. Get them out of positions of powers and destroy the very platforms upon which they stand. Be it private or public sector.

    Steve
     
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    Unfortunately, as soon as the Democrat regain house, senate, and president control, I predict the ABW will be reinstated. Our only hope is to vote the SOBs out of office and prevent them from regaining control.
     
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    Always a serious possibility. Just one more reason not to compromise on anything now. Hopefully everyone who wants an evil assault rifle will have one by then. Turning them in after the fact just ain't gonna cut it.

    I'm more of a battle rifle guy myself, but I'd buy one just to piss her off if the AWB was coming back.
     
  17. beerslurpy

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    What makes you think the dems will be taking control anytime soon? And keeping control if they try another ban? Didnt they learn from last time?
     
  18. Third_Rail

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    No. Of course they didn't learn, they're politicians.
     
  19. beerslurpy

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    I wouldnt expect the Bradies to learn from a setback anymore than I would expect Al Queda to.

    But there is a difference between a politician and an activist, I think. Something to do with dedication to a set of principles. The Bradies might be a bunch of marxists, but at least they stick to their guns.

    I would expect politicians to abandon an ideology that costs them elections. If they really value nanny-state socialism over power than they will have neither.
     
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    Good luck. Ya old w****
     
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    So, you figure if we started calling her other assault on the Constitution "Feingold/McCain", she'd be satisfied to get top billing, and go away?
     
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    Question: How do losers like this continue winning office election after election? Answer: Some people really are that dumb. :rolleyes:

    Fineswine - :neener: :neener:
     
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    guess they saw that movie too. i think there was another thread that mentioned how important it is to teach children the difference between real and pretend.
     
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    "Even among advocates of gun-control legislation, there is no agreement on whether the expiration of the ban is a disaster in the making, as Feinstein claims, or the quiet death of a law that had no teeth."

    This bit about the original ban being a law with no teeth is what makes me nervous. I believe that the next ban these jokers try will be so vague it will cover just about everything.
     
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    Um, ***? Do they mean *rubber*?

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