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Felon dares CCW holder to "shoot me"

Discussion in 'Legal' started by gunsmith, Aug 6, 2005.

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  1. gunsmith

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    The "witness" is the guys wife,injured guy is a felon but the gunnies here in Reno say the CCW guy should never have showed him the gun

    Witness to shooting disputes self-defense claim
    http://www.rgj.com/news/stories/htm...ocal+News&sp5=RGJ.com&sp6=news&sp7=local_news
    A woman who saw her former husband shot following an argument about another man’s barking dog disputes the shooter’s claim it was self-defense.
    Willard “Ross” Brymer, 38, remained in critical condition Friday in Washoe Medical Center after he was shot Wednesday night in Huffaker Park following an altercation with dog owner Kevin Kramer, 51.
    Brymer’s former wife, Dena Carter, of Reno, was with Brymer, eating fast food in the grass.
    Carter said Kramer shot Brymer because Brymer yelled at his dog to get away from them.
    She said Brymer did not strike Kramer and said Kramer’s injuries — which required stitches — were self-inflicted.
    “(Kramer) freaked out and said, ‘What are you saying to my dog, you punk,’” Carter recounted Friday.
    “He was mad and pulled out his gun and shot him. ”
    Kramer had an unlisted number and could not be reached for comment.
    Carter added it was a large unleashed dog that attacked Brymer, who told it “shoo” and “get away.” Kramer said his cocker spaniel, Harley, is the one that barked at Brymer.
    “I still feel the blood on my hands and can hear him (Brymer) calling me for help,” Carter said. “I picture him rolling off my car with his intestines spilling out. I want so badly to help him, but there’s nothing I can do.”
    Kramer, of Reno, could not be reached for comment Friday about Carter’s account of the events. He said in an interview on Thursday that he feared for his life when he shot Brymer in the chest.
    He said the shooting occurred after Brymer sprinted toward him and battered him. Kramer said prior to the attack, he had shown Brymer his gun and told him to leave, which prompted Brymer to say “shoot me.”
    Lt. Ron Donnelly of Reno police said detectives are aware that Carter’s version of events differs from Kramer’s. Detectives are also looking for more witnesses to sort out what happened.
    Donnelly said evidence points to Kramer being struck in the incident but stressed the investigation is not complete.
    Carter described Brymer as a religious man, with five children, who is employed as an iron worker.
    She said he dreamed of building structures in Iraq and New York City.
    Brymer’s criminal history ranges from arrests for battery with a deadly weapon and possessing stolen property to a prison term for possessing drugs.
     
  2. shermacman

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    OK.
    I read the article three times.
    I can't follow the cast of characters. Is it me or is the world of boyfriends and girlfriends and ex-spouses and fathers and mothers and dog owners who want to kill each other just too complicated?
     
  3. Standing Wolf

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    Other than one or two minor incidents, a man of sterling character who probably wouldn't even know how to tell a fib.
     
  4. Hawkmoon

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    I'm confused, too.

    If Brymer is such a saint of a man, why is she his former wife?
     
  5. rich636

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    “I still feel the blood on my hands and can hear him (Brymer) calling me for help,” Carter said. “I picture him rolling off my car with his intestines spilling out. I want so badly to help him, but there’s nothing I can do.”

    I thought the article said he was hit in the chest?

    I'm a little confused :scrutiny:
     
  6. Firethorn

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    I'm sure the truth will come out in investigation. If the emergency room did their job, they have pictures of everything, and the experts can generally spot 'self inflicted' wounds very easily.
     
  7. TrybalRage

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    yeah. wait. what?
     
  8. GunGoBoom

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    You guys summed up my thoughts exactly: Prior offenses including assault/battery, AND a wound, but we're to believe that he did nothing to provoke it this time, and the wound on the shooter is self-inflicted. Furthermore, if he's hit in the chest, his intestines don't fight gravity to go up and spill out the chest.

    Well, TrybalRage summed up my thoughts when I first wake up hung over.
     
  9. PinnedAndRecessed

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    Me too. I thought I was struck with attention deficit disorder for a moment. But the truth is the article is very poorly written.
     
  10. Firethorn

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    Hmm...
    Cleaned up version:

    50% article:
    Dena Carter, Former wife(reconciling/remarrying?): My hubby's a saint!

    20% article:
    Police: The stories are in dispute. Evidence collaberates Kramer's story, so far. We're still investigating. btw, the one shot(Brymer) has a medium sized rap sheet, including assault with a deadly and prison time.

    10% article:
    Hospital facts - Willard “Ross” Brymer is in the hospital in critical condition.

    20% article:
    Kramer(dog owner): The guy attacked me, I pulled my gun, fearing for my life. I tried to simply scare him away with it, but he kept coming, making a comment that implied he though I wouldn't shoot. He was wrong.

    As for the 'chest' wound, there are many people who associate everthing below the neck and above the groin as "Chest". Though I doubt a CCW pistol is going to create a hole big enough for guts to come out. Heck, I don't think it could do it even if it just creased the guy just right.
     
  11. geekWithA.45

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    I Detect A Recent Trend Here:

    The press has been seeking out and highlighting, and possibly muddying questionable shoots by permit holders.

    This is the 3rd or 4th recent story that fits that profile.
     
  12. dpesec

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    Bet we never hear the outcome

    "If" the shooting was justified, we'll never hear that. Why? because it would be a plus, and it would also not have a negative impact on people's opinion of CCW holders. This way people get the impression CCW is a bad thing, people pulling guns and blood running in the streets. Seems we've heard that line before. :banghead:
     
  13. Byron Quick

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    Depends. Sounds like she would have been bored with a saint, you know?
     
  14. wingman

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    yeah, nice guy.
     
  15. El Tejon

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    Isn't this a script for an episode of "Reno911!"??? :confused:

    Dogs, people insulting dogs, fast food on the front lawn, baby mommas, ex-girlfriends, obviously this story reads better with a banjo soundtrack. :D
     
  16. Geno
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    Makes me wonder about state-to-state reciprocity of CCWs

    I just sit here wondering how some people get a CCW. Then, upon reflecting on my readings in recent text which details each of the 50 states' laws concerning CCW, etc., I recall that some states have considerably lower standards than others. Michigan is quite difficult even though a "shall issue" state. So, this "gentleman" with some prior legal issues ALSO had a CCW? This article was so poorly written that I could barely follow it.

    I too see a disturbing trend. There are some very questionable shootings going on. And the media seems to be bent on highlighting these shootings for President Hillary for when she takes over the reins of coercion, repression and distortion. Such cases are the necessary precursor to action. After all, one instance is not history nor is it trend. I seriously doubt that we will see many, if any, publications of the many hundreds of times firearms owners legitimately, cool-headily use their firearms prudently (or DO NOT) use their firearms when they could have.

    The present nature of shootings is disturbing regarding the future possession of CCWs, and possible other constraints.

    Doc2005
     
  17. AK-74me

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    After reading it twice and still not following I scrolled down to see some replys, feeling better I'm not the only one.
     
  18. NHBB

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    I gave up after a couple attempts, expecting it to be a joke thread lol.... it is sad that anyone writes like that, let alone gets it published.
     
  19. WYO

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    It just sounds like every day police work to me.
     
  20. El Tejon

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    WYO, you got that right, my friend. :D

    No wonder police reports are so incomprehensible sometimes. :uhoh: Let's go diagram this one on the greaseboard. :D
     
  21. publius

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    The article was pretty indecipherable, but the guy on the FRONT end of the gun was the one with legal issues. The CCW holder shot him.
     
  22. dolanp

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    Uh.. right. So he cut himself up or shot himself or something to make it look like this guy attacked him? Sounds like the ex-wife is telling all the tall tales. Sad thing is that whoever talks first tends to be the one that gets listened to.
     
  23. WYO

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    El Tejon, you raise a good point. Perhaps we should collaborate on a series of relationship diagrams and new buzzwords that would simplify report writing for police. If we’re lucky, it could eliminate sentences such as “The victim’s wife’s cousin’s stepfather’s ex-girlfriend’s brother’s (the “Dog Owner”) dog ate the victim’s stepmother’s baby’s hamburger on the victim’s front lawn, thereby provoking the victim to insult the Dog Owner, whereupon the Dog Owner shot the victim.”
     
  24. walking arsenal

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    intestines spilling out? what'd he do, shoot him with a chainsaw?

    Add me to the confused tally
     
  25. onrhander

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    :confused: Is the woman the ex of the CCW or the other guy? :banghead:
     
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