Felon dares CCW holder to "shoot me"

[bogie]

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Steve!

 

[renogal]

I am for real

I am for real, and I just might take you up on that coffee, and I had only posted once because I had to wait until someone said I could join. I have been reading the post here for about a week and just had to say something.

I did not say that I hang out with Mr. Brymer I said I know him and his family and have know them for about 22 years. I do believe, and from what I know of the shooting that Ross did not know the man was armed until right before he was shot.

I also did say "he opened his big mouth" but that does not mean that he should have been shot!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ross has not always been a model citizen, but he did have it together for a while and things were going in the right direction. I know all you have to go on it the piece of trash the newspaper calls journalism, but there is ALWAYS more than one version.

renogal

 

[Preacherman]

Renogal, I'm as compassionate and sensitive a person as I can be (given my calling, it's a necessity), but allow me to assure you of one thing: if some doofus is behaving toward me in a threatening manner, and knows I'm armed, and tries to attack me anyway, he's down. Period. No further questions asked or needed.

 

[Island Beretta]

in a gunfight we have no winners, only survivors.....

Renogal, these things are always painful for both parties...that's a given, that's the baseline..but then we have to look at what happened....

 

[Mnemesyne]

add me to the confused list

I've read it through a few times and I still can't make out who did what to whom.....I'm a bit perplexed with the chest shot, but intestines coming out bit.....

 

[Andrew Rothman]

I did not say that I hang out with Mr. Brymer I said I know him and his family and have know them for about 22 years. I do believe, and from what I know of the shooting that Ross did not know the man was armed until right before he was shot.

Aha. There's renogal's problem: It's not fair that Kramer didn't let on he was armed until his life was threatened.

You see, angelic Mr. Brymer would never have attacked Mr. Kramer had he known Mr. Kramer could fight back....

renogal, you're not doing anything to help convince us otherwise.

And, dangit, it's lunch time, and now I want a Big Mac!

 

[renogal]

Matt, I am not trying to convince anyone of anything other than it all seems that there is a whole lot of blaming Ross!!! A man got shot over a dog!!! All anyone has heard is the shooters side other than Ross's wife. She has gotten bits and pieces from him, but not a whole lot. The ex wife has told three different versions so I am not about to believe a whole lot she says, and as for the shooter.... who knows if what he is saying is true. From what the police say he isn't the one who called the police like the paper says.

I know it must be just as hard for Kramer's family as it is for Ross's, but then again Kramer is not in the hospital fighting for his life.

Again to clarify: He was not hit in the chest!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

renogal

 

[thorn726]

A man got shot over a dog!!!

well im about as confused as everyone else, but it does look like it came down to the above.

an angry, barking dog is a frightening thing.

seems like guy gets nervous about dog , yells, gets shot- is that right? man, confusing, but regardless, sounds like the shooter needs his ccw pulled.

ahh, ok-

Brymer screams at dog, "Shoo! Get away!"
Kramer said, "Don't talk to my dog, Punk!"
Brymer threatens Kramer.
Kramer displays legally carried firearm. Tells Brymer to "Get away."
Brymer says, "Shoot me!"
Brymer attacks Kramer.
Kramer obliges and shoots Brymer in the chest.
Dog eats BigMac.

Additional Facts:

Brymer is a deeply religious multiple violent felon ironworker with five kids.
Carter is the ex-wife of Brymer and McDonalds afficionado.
Kramer needed stiches after attack.

well, if brymer attacked kramer, hmm. looks like maybe it WAs almost a good shoot, but what kind of JERK uses his gun to defend his Dog's poor behavior??

yeah, CCW- should be pulled from this loser.

having a gun doenst give you the right to mess up other peoples lunch.

go ahead and mess with ME when i'm eating!

 

[Andrew Rothman]

A man got shot over a dog!!!

well im about as confused as everyone else, but it does look like it came down to the above.

Well, no. By all indications, a man with a long violent record got shot because he attacked a guy with a gun (badly enough that the gun guy required stitches).

Well, either that, or gun guy shot lunch guy for yelling at his dog, then, cleverly, severely injured himself to divert suspicion.

Golly, which theory sounds more plausible to you?

well, if brymer attacked kramer, hmm. looks like maybe it WAs almost a good shoot, but what kind of JERK uses his gun to defend his Dog's poor behavior??

You seem very confused. Once Brymer attacked Kramer, Kramer was defending his life, not his doggy's manners.

 

[torpid]

Kramer, of Reno, could not be reached for comment Friday about Carter’s account of the events. He said in an interview on Thursday that he feared for his life when he shot Brymer in the chest.
He said the shooting occurred after Brymer sprinted toward him and battered him. Kramer said prior to the attack, he had shown Brymer his gun and told him to leave, which prompted Brymer to say “shoot me.”

So if this (incomprehensible) account is to be believed, Mr. Kramer pulled his weapon before Mr. Brymer attacked him, then Mr. Brymer said "shoot me", then proceeded to sprint toward and attack Mr. Kramer?


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[The Drew]

Maybe Mr. Brymer will learn his lesson and not antagonize a person pointing a gun at him...

It seems like Mr. Brymer has an attitude problem, and it got adjusted...

Rule 1. Bring a gun...

 

[GT]

You can yell and jump up and down as much as you want but you can't lay hands on another person. It's that simple.

Once that happens and you are big and angry maybe I am in fear of my life.
And maybe you should be in fear of yours.

G

 

[gc70]

It looks like there may be blame enough to go around in this story.

 

[Aguila Blanca]

It looks like there may be blame enough to go around in this story.

True.

All parties should agree to jointly sue McDonalds Corporation. After all, if Mickey D's hadn't spent years advertising Big Mac Attacks, Mr. Brymer might not have been overcome with violent thoughts and assaulted Mr. Kramer.

In the end, I guess it wasn't really over a dog, after all ... it was a Big Mac Attack gone bad.

Ban Big Macs. It's for the children.