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Felons, Parolees Getting Hunting Licenses

Discussion in 'Legal' started by GRB, Jan 29, 2006.

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  1. GRB

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    Appearing below is interesting article that has me wondering if we will soon need to vote down legislation aimed at requiring us to have some sort of criminal history check before we buy a hunting license. While I agree that most violent felons probably should not have firearms liberties restored; I have always thought it rather ridiculous that someone convicted of, let's say a felony gambling charge, would loose firearms liberties if there were no aggravating factors. Then again, I do not think anyone convicted of a non-violent felony should lose hunting privelages. I do think it might be a good idea for violent felons not to be able to hunt with firearms, and maybe not even bows and other edged weapons for some of them but that should be a condition of their release. If they want to buy a hunting license so be it. Heck I have bought hunting and fishing licenses just to be able to catch snakes or frogs in certain states (another passion altogether), and sometimes just to help support my state's fish and game conservation efforts.

    Oh well, here is the article; and check out this link here it is spelled out in case the above link does not work: hosted.ap.org/dynamic/files/specials/interactives/_national/felons_firearms/index.html for an interactive map to find out how each state handles restoration of firearms liberties to previously convicted felons:

    Best regards,
    Glenn B
     
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  2. critter

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    I don't care HOW MANY hunting licenses they buy! If they are convicted felons, they STILL CAN NOT own, use or handle any firearms. It's ok with me if they hunt with an atlatl.
     
  3. GRB

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    I hope you meant that as personal opinion as opposed to what you may think is law. There are plenty of convicted felons who legally have had their firearms liberties/rights restored on both the state and federal levels. Shamefully, for our federal government, certain politicians have attempted to deny any convicted felons of restoration of firearms rights through political wrangling by making the BATFE budget devoid of funding to carry necessary investigations when someone makes such an application o the federal level. This has been in effect since 1992. Something that you may want to consider writing to your elected officials about. I plan to voice my dissatifaction with such, as I said, in my opinion, there is no reason that a convicted non-violent felon such as gambler with no aggravating factors should reasonably have firearms liberties pulled forever.
     
  4. TallPine

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    I just don't see what the big problem is ... so what if a convicted felon buys a hunting license? The state gets the money to use for wildlife and habitat conservation. For all we know, maybe these folks don't even hunt, but just buy the license to support wildlife :p

    Geez ... it is the same old thing over and over:rolleyes: You know, if they are such big bad criminals, then why are they buying a hunting license? They broke the law at least once already, so why not break the law again and just poach...? Just by purchasing the hunting license they are showing their intent to be law abiding.

    Of course, my opinion is that the felon restriction is just BS anyway. Like Glenn stated, many felons are not violent to begin with. If they are really dangerous, they should be in prison. I can see the firearm (or maybe just handgun) restriction while on probation, or even as a specific part of a specific sentence for a specific person, but not as a blanket restriction as it is now.

    If the "felon" is out of jail and wants a gun for evil purposes, he/she will get their hands on it anyway - maybe by breaking into my house to steal it. Otherwise, it is just an annoyance to the rest of us to go through NICS each time we buy a gun (and of course the system can suddenly be "down" for any or no reason:( ).

    Also, cannot a felon legally hunt with a muzzle-loading rifle ...?
     
  5. TexasRifleman

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    Uhhh, last time I looked you could bow hunt or Blackpowder hunt without owning a "firearm".

    Also in many states folks buy combination licenses that include fishing as well as hunting.

    I think saying "Felons buy hunting licenses" doesn't really give any useful information.

    SOMEONE is driving the market in Blackpowder hunting, it's made a heck of a comeback recently, archery as well.

    You simply can't connect a felon buying a hunting license to him owning or using a firearm.
     
  6. fjolnirsson

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    So, we're supposed to get all concerned and outraged over people who make an effort to obey existing laws, just because they are ex cons? I don't think so. Glenn and Tallpine have it right.

    By the way, Glenn. Good to see you posting. Glad you stuck around.:)

    People with bad intentions are not bound by any laws we pass. They make their own laws, and live as they wish to. For that matter, many ex cons have trouble finding employment due to their record. What if these men who go out of their way to obtain a license for hunting are doing so to feed their families the only way they can? So long as they aren't harming anyone with these hunting licenses, what's the trouble.

    On a related note, we never know what may become a felony offense in the near future. The ownership of gold and alcohol are just two things which were at one time outlawed here in the US. Future crusades against crime have the potential to make any one of us non violent felons.
     
  7. Kodiaz

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    The gungrabbers are losing and they know it

    The anti gun beep are losing so they have to fill the newspapers with firearms hysteria especially because it is a voting year.


    I live in Fl and there are usually several papers on the newsstand. There have been a lot of front page anti gun articles this year.
     
  8. gunsmith

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    Atlatl?

    at first I was going to ask, attawhat?..but I used google (evil google)

    http://www.atlatl.com/

    wow those are cool...is it legal to hunt withan Atlatl?

    I bet it's a felony to own one in CA:neener:
     
  9. Art Eatman

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    "With millions of hunters in the U.S. - nearly 270,000 in Montana alone - authorities in many states say it simply would be too difficult to check if felons are getting hunting tags."

    Hmmm. Haven't we heard this before, somewhere?

    Must have been a Slow News Day.

    Art
     
  10. xd9fan

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    this is how they can turn the rest of america against us.
     
  11. Michael Courtney

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    True. Many states also require a hunting license for trapping furbearers, which does not require a firearm.

    Michael Courtney
     
  12. Dave P

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    Uhhh, last time I looked you could bow hunt or Blackpowder hunt without owning a "firearm".


    +1
     
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    Calling someone a felon is a western way of creating an untouchable cast.
    Dosnt matter what they did. Once you get that mark then anyone can use it to deprive you of your ability to get a job, your property and your freedom.
    The stupid question is whats more important, your constitutional rights or the states ability to continue your punishment long after youve served your time.

    If they cant be trusted to own a weapon or hunt, why are they out on the street?
     
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    EXACTLY!
    I have been quietly nudging my state legislators in this direction for some time. I don't know if I'm making any real progress or not, but i agree w/ the above. Lock 'em up and throw away the key if they're dangerous. Otherwise, restore their civil rights when they come out.
     
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    From my understanding that depends on state law. I looked into this in Illinois for a nephew of mine who has a felony conviction from his stupid phase when he was younger. In Illinois it is my understanding that a felon cannot use any firearm including black powder.

    I understand it is legal in some states however.

    As always I could be wrong. ( and would be delighted to be so about this matter, I could take my nephew shooting :)

    NukemJim
     
  16. GruntII

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    Not nessecarily .Some states give automatic full restoral of rights for state offenses or certain state offense by statute. Michigan comes ot mind, you do nto have to apply for rights restoral for certain offenses it is granted upon completetion of your sentence. In alabama you can have the right to own a long gun restored but you have to petetion ofr this as well as other rights to be restored. Of course since 1995 when the Klintons defunded the office in the ATF that handled federal rights restoral there have been no federal rights restoral.

    I've been a cop 14/15 years and I believe once you complete your debt to society all rights should be retored.In past times rights were restored automatically and so it should be . This especially true these days when there are so many no violent felonies on the books. We are either a nation where the citizens have creator endowed , constitutionally protected, rights or we don't. After the punishment is over then the rights should come back.
     
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    NukemJim,

    Sorry to hear about your nephew, but unfortunately Illinois does classify blackpower guns as firearms

    You can teach him archery, but BB guns (unless .17 cal) are out also.
     
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    About two years ago, I went online to buy a non-resident FISHING license for New Jersey, and can you believe they ask you to affirm that you are not delinquent in paying child support. Will they be checking traffic ticket records next?

    As I was writing this post, I did a quick search and see this is still required, and is required for both fishing and hunting licenses.

    http://www.state.nj.us/dep/fgw/child_support_info.htm
     
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    The article doesn't say in the case of the Fl game official shot by a convicted felon hunting with a gun if the felon had a hunting license. Wouldn't it be so much worse if not only did he not have a license, but wardens weren't in season? What if the gun was a shotgun and he was hunting birds and didn't have a plug? Well, seriously, I don't have much problem with felons being prohibited from having guns. But killing somebody should be serious enough that ethnicity, licenses, technical crap, should not become the focus (or distraction) of the case.

    edit: How soon should this guy be able to get his gun rights back and go hunting with a gun?
     
  20. Gungnir

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    Damn those pesky felons buying hunting licenses, next they'll be trying to buy cars, and get jobs taking away chances from people without felony convictions.

    You know, sometimes I think that people are of the opinion that a Felony should be a capital offense, but in the vast majority of cases felonies are not capital offenses. Make the punishment fit the crime, if you're jailed for 5 years and released, why should your unalienable rights be alienated? If you're not safe to be released you shouldn't be released. I often think that Felony convictions having their RKBA restricted was a means to see whether the federal government could pull it off against a classification of people without a hue and cry about constitutional rights. Makes me wonder who's next?

    Particularly we here should be always mindful that using your firearm in self defense might wind up leaving you with a felony conviction. If that happened, wouldn't you want to be able to own firearms? Or work as a licensed professional, for example if you were a teacher or lawyer? Or vote? I sure would.
     
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    "The result in Idaho is that you could theoretically be a convicted cannibal and still have a hunting license,"
    Sounds like it should be encouraged due to them not hunting their apparent favorite food!
     
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    If you are a felon that paid your debt to society and is no longer on probation or parole for a violent crime there is ZERO reason you should be kept from voting or owning firearms other than feel good nancy pants bull crap.

    By making felons second class citizens it makes it easy to remove all gun rights from everyone.

    Just reclassify everything as a felony.

    Parking tickets
    Code infractions
    and on and on.
     
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    Agreed. I have a relative who was convicted of obstruction of justice (federal) for destroying some of his personal documents/computer files (that the Feds were requesting). He now can no longer go duck hunting with me unless he gets a presidential pardon. I think that is totally absurd.:fire:
     
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    I am not sure why, but for some reason I NEVER have ANY sympathy for ANYONE who has committed a crime. I am in my 40's and have managed to keep my nose clean, and I know people twice my age who have done the same.

    I must just be insensitive but I do not care if convicted felons are not allowed to hunt in Maine.
     
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    I agree that convicted felons made a choice to engage in their illegal conduct and therefore put themselves in their position. But I just don't believe that a convict who used a gun to rape someone and a convict who lied on an insurance form should get the same kind of treatment with regards to firearms.
     
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