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Fighting the ban in California: get help from the manufacturers

Discussion in 'Legal' started by DeseoUnTaco, Jun 26, 2005.

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  1. DeseoUnTaco

    DeseoUnTaco Member

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    As has been discussed here previously, we have two bills that are "in play" in California which would amount to a de facto ban on handgun ammo (including 22lr). Obviously our legislators aren't listening. Der Guv might listen, and help us out with a veto, or he might not. But we have some more options than that. One that we need to work on is contacting manufacturers and urging them to boycot law enforcement sales in California. Here is a letter from Glocktalk that you can send to your favorite manufacturers:

    And here is their contact information:

    Smith & Wesson
    Eoin Stafford
    Director of Sales
    2100 Roosevelt Avenue
    Springfield, MA 01104

    Glock
    Gary Fletcher
    V.P. of Sales
    6000 Highlands Parkway
    Smyrna, Georgia 30082

    SigArms
    Bill Silver
    Director of Sales
    18 Industrial Drive
    Exeter, NH 03833

    Heckler & Koch
    Joe Cunnife
    21480 Pacific Blvd.
    Sterling, Virginia 20166

    Send those letters! Could someone please make this post sticky?
     
  2. Pilgrim

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    I think an 'embargo' is a more correct term than 'boycott'.

    I also think it would be a remarkable act of cooperation if all the firearms and ammunition manufacturers agreed to back out of the California market.

    Pilgrim
     
  3. MrTuffPaws

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    And thus, unlikely.

    Though it would be sweet though. :evil:
     
  4. El Rojo

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    If SB 357 passes, they won't have any choice but to back out on civilian sales. Good luck getting them to give up on the department cash cow. Business is business, especially if you are talking about foreign firearms manufacturers. Why should they care about the 2nd Amendment? They only care about Euros.

    So true. I have already expressed how little Barrett gave up in California by cutting off LEOs and how much he gained in support across the rest of the country. That is if people rushed out to buy a $3000 plus rifle as a matter of principle and backing.

    Sending that letter couldn't hurt.
     
  5. DeseoUnTaco

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    Doesn't matter. They don't need to cooperate. The point of a normal embargo is to deprive the target of the embargo from getting whatever it is. Ie, if there's an oil embargo, the oil producers are trying to cut off the oil supply to someone. To achieve that, yes, all the suppliers need to cooperate, but that isn't the goal here. LE agencies are going to get access to whatever guns they need no matter what manufacturers do, because there are plenty of manufacturers out there, and LE agencies can always buy from dealers, and manufacturers can't really control what their dealers do. So this is an embargo-for-PR, not a traditional embargo-to-cut-off-supplies. Anyway, I wouldn't want LE (or anyone else) to be disarmed. I do want the PR benefits of doing this, though.

    The only maker that might (maybe) actually do this is S&W, because S&W has mostly given up on the LE market anyway. It would be purely a PR/symbolic thing to do for them, because LEs who want to buy their guns could buy them from dealers anyway (there's no way S&W could force their FFLs to embargo LE sales).
     
  6. 4570Rick

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    I got my first call from a manufacturer in response to my letters/calls Friday afternoon. It was from Remington. :what: The secretary to the Director of Marketing called me about 3:00 PM PDT last Friday to let me know that Remington will not be complying with SB357. :D So call, write, fax, and e-mail. They can't hear us if we don't make some noise. ;)
     
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    When you find out, let me know..
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    This is precisely why I would never spend my FRCs (federal reserve credits) on anything from Glock, Sig, or HK anyway. I know it doesn't do much, because the majority of gun owners heavily support these companies. So, to counter that, I go out of my way to buy guns from A. small American assault weapon makers like MasterPiece Arms, or Bobcat weapons, and B. companies that I feel are under particular attack that do not have government contracts to bail them out. I include in that, companies that make affordable ("saturday night special") pistols that are our main hope of getting many fence sitters and/or poor people into shooting. The "saturday night special" is a great affordable gift to an 18 year old relative who likes guns but has been heavily brainwashed by gun hating parents. Using Jimenez Arms, Cobra, Heritage, and Hi Point, I have convinced quite a number of non gun owners to get over that hump into becoming gun owners when they otherwise would never have done so.
     
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    4570Rick,
    VERY well done....! I don't think Remington will be the only one, either. All of the other manufacturers will be looking at their bottom line and hopefully come to the same conclusion that it doesn't make business sense to comply.

    Like I said earlier on another thread........ there's always NORINCO for the LE. :evil: I'm sure they would be more than happy to supply their "comrades in arms"........

    Yanus
     
  10. BenW

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    Huh, that's a neat trick. Change the dates to be far enough in the future that your average CA gun owner / citizen will say, "Eh, who cares about something happening in 2016?" and your average CA politician will say, "By then they'll forget I ever signed it."
     
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    Sounds about right. Isn't that the same time period Social Security is supposed to start trying to cash in the IOUs it holds from the government?

    Pilgrim
     
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    Should both/either one of these become law, a total and complete embargo of California by firearms and ammo manufacturers should be the response. Even if the CA legislature 'exempts' law enforcement (which is almost assured).

    But, how can the manufacturers control distributors, middlemen, etc., who decide to sell to CA LE?
     
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    Wow. I just called them (1-800-243-9700; hit 0 for the operator, ask for marketing) to tell them I've switched from WWB to Remington value packs for my .45 ACP needs.
    Good on ya, Remington!
     
  14. Carnitas

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    Its my understanding that Departments get a lot of support direct from the manufacturers, in terms of parts, repair, training, and technical support. They also can get models for demo, purchase in bulk at favorable prices, with custom configurations and not normally included equipment. While a police department could order and purchae guns through the normal distributor channels that most regular folks do they'd still be loosing a lot of the support they're accustomed to.

    In the unlikely event that an embargo came together and was in place long enough to really effect departments, I wouldent be suprised if more departments went to a system where officers purchased and supplied their own firearms.
     
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    What Carnitas said, and by expressly stating that the warranty is void if purchased by or used for a state agency. This is the same as for other products that are specified for home use only and warranty is void if used commercially.
     
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    Hopefully, the manufacturers have the cojones to do it. Let's see how brave CA government will be when LE is disarmed, and millions of armed felons with unserialized bullets and non imprinting guns are running around loose. :evil:
     
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    The national guard is exempt from both bills, LE is not.

    So they will just call out the NG.
     
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    You should have voted for McClintock, Californians.
     
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    I did vote for McClintock. Obviously this state has been so overrun with half-wits that they don't know what is good for them. So Arnie got the vote from the ill informed.

    Remington makes good ammo. I have no problem shooting their stuff in all my firearms. Plus I'll be looking at their rifles even harder. If the Model 700 is good enough for the best (Army Snipers), then it's good enough for me.
     
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    Dude 99 percent of the people in this country just react to the personality of the candidate when they speak. I bet most dont even vote in primaries or do minimal research on the candidates.

    Since the ED decision last week a ton of people at work have suddenly been stricken with terror. They are like "OMG HOW DID THIS HAPPEN BEHIND OUR BACKS. THIS IS TERRIBLE!!!11!"

    And I just tell them (cliff notes form) "Now is a good time to read up on how your government is supposed to work and start fixing it. Politicians dont keep themselves within the bounds of the constitution because you never ask them to- in fact I would bet that neither you nor 99 percent of the public even knows what is in the constitution."

    It is so hard to get people to even give a damn about their own fricken lives. It is just so damn sad. The worst part is that I am going to get the country they deserve.
     
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    Yep. Too bad we can't set aside a nice island for them, and set up a nice utopian government for them, where weapons are banned and they're told what to do all day long. Don't we have places like that now? Oh, yeah. It's called prison. :rolleyes:
     
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