Final nail for Remington?

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Heard from a little birdie that RemCo is planning on liquidating assets sometime in Sept.

Any other news on this?

Speculation on the future of AAC and Marlin?

I am unfortunately pretty heavily invested in Remington and Marlin.
 
Remington will probably go the route of Winchester. License the name to some other company who will actually manufacture the firearms. When Olin got tired of loosing money manufacturing Winchester firearms, a group of Winchester executives created US Repeating Arms Company and took over production at the New Haven factory.
 
Winchester executives created US Repeating Arms Company and took over production at the New Haven factory.

That was 1979 or 1980. It's been sold twice since then I believe. Winchester has been owned by FN, the parent company for Browning and others since at least 2006.

But this is what I expect too. Many of Winchesters older designs are no longer made, none in the USA anymore. The model 70's were made in FN's military rifle factory in South Carolina for a few years, but they moved production to Portugal. Some are made in Japan, others in Portugal and at least some in Asia. Not certain exactly where.

I would think rights to the ammo line, 700, 870, the auto shotguns, and Marlin would be quite attractive.

Winchester never stopped making ammo, they sold the rights to the firearms and I'd expect Remington to do the same. I believe someone will buy the rights to produce some of the Remington designs. I think the 870 has the best chance to live on. There are so many better rifles now than the 700, many which are simply better built clones where most of the parts interchange. The 700 is competing with clones of its self that address the 700's shortcomings.

I think Bushmaster is gone as a brand. Part of that is the Sandy Hook lawsuit. Part of it is the competition from dozens of other AR rifles being made anymore.

I don't have a crystal ball, but the Marlin brand will survive somehow. I wouldn't be surprised to see it be an independent company again and not under the same umbrella as Remington. I could see Henry buying it instead of being a competitor.
 
I think your birdie may not understand Chapter 11 bankruptcy procedings.

The company is essentially owned by some of its creditors from its last bankruptcy. "Liquidating assets" screws them. Shedding some debt, shielding the company from some of its litigation risk means that a viable company comes out the other side. It seems unlikely that they would spin off/sell off Marlin, but stranger things have happened and if someone came up with an attractive offer after the Navajo debacle, it could happen. I predict this has more to do with litigation risk management than anything else. We shall see.
 
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Chapter 11 for the second time in as many years. I predict they will finally close that monstrosity in Ilion, NY, and move the production 100% to AL. It'd be a shame for that little town as Remington is the only thing keeping those streets from rolling right up. You just can't fix the manufacturing inefficiencies of that massive six story, one square bock facility, though. Lean manufacturing might as well be Star Trek transporter beam technology for that place. That and the cost of labor. Dang shame. But never fear - Big Green won't go the way of Winchester in the near or relative distant future. There are other manufacturing options and the Freedom Group, love them or hate them, is all about making sure money is made, and AL is a profitable facility.
 
I don't have a crystal ball, but the Marlin brand will survive somehow. I wouldn't be surprised to see it be an independent company again and not under the same umbrella as Remington. I could see Henry buying it instead of being a competitor.

God I hope not. I do hope Marlin gets another chance but not with Henry. That would be the end. Competition is good and being absorbed by a company that fakes it's history and builds cute little Zamak receiver 22 rifles, please, just no :(.
 
God I hope not. I do hope Marlin gets another chance but not with Henry. That would be the end. Competition is good and being absorbed by a company that fakes it's history and builds cute little Zamak receiver 22 rifles, please, just no :(.
Agreed...but the Golden Boy is pretty freaking cool though. Ya gotta give Henry that...
 
Agreed...but the Golden Boy is pretty freaking cool though. Ya gotta give Henry that...

No, the Golden Boy is Zamak just like all of the Henry 22s. It is just got a faux brass color. The Big Boy is a brass alloy. I did not mean to start a Henry hate thread, I have my preferences and I will much prefer Marlin remain with Remington, or on it's own or some other better outcome than being absorbed by faux Henry. This is the real thing and it does not need to infer a history that did not happen:

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Brasslite my axx.
 
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No, the Golden Boy is Zamak just like all of the Henry 22s. It is just got a faux brass color. The Big Boy is a brass alloy. I did not mean to start a Henry hate thread, I have my preferences and I will much prefer Marlin remain with Remington, or on it's own or some other better outcome than being absorbed by faux Henry. This is the real thing and it does not need to infer a history that did not happen:

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Brasslite my axx.
Yeah - but it's pretty cool though....
 
I could see Henry buying it instead of being a competitor.

If Henry buys Marlin, it will be to shut them down and not have the competition.

Think about it. Who competes with Henry's centerfire rifle line? Marlin 336, Guide Gun etc. Who competes with their rimfire rifles? Marlin. (This is a bad example as Marlin mostly makes semi autos, so there might be room for Henry to adopt the Model 60 and the XT22 into their line.) I think the only other lever gun competition is going to be Mirikou and Rossi, and of the two, Mirikou is closer in terms of price and quality.
 
God I hope not. I do hope Marlin gets another chance but not with Henry. That would be the end. Competition is good and being absorbed by a company that fakes it's history and builds cute little Zamak receiver 22 rifles, please, just no :(.
Marlin fan boi's crack me up.

That said - Henry buying Marlin seems like speculation at a really high level.
 
https://www.thehighroad.org/index.php?threads/remington-does-it-again-bankruptcy-no-2.870725/

The above is not to thread cap but is another thread we had here on Remington's second bankruptcy that has lots of good background information on this second bankruptcy and the status of Remington.

In short Remington as we know it, what little of it is left at this point, is done IMHO. They could not find a buyer to exit this current bankruptcy outright so now Remington is set to be auctioned off in mid/late September, whether a buyer comes forward now or not. From what I have heard down here in Huntsville, there has been a fairly steady parade of potential auction bidders come through the facility (as well as the other facilities). I will not drop names but very few of them would surprise anyone here.

What is still up in the air is whether the judge is going to allow Remington (et al) to be sold as one unit or break it up in some way. The logical way to break it up would be by facilities. Ilion NY, Huntsville AL (though Remington does not own the Huntsville facility, the city of Huntsville does), Lonoke AK, Mona UT, Sturgis, SD, and Madison NC.

Lonoke (Remington has two ammunition plants there) and Mona (Barnes Bullets) could go together or separately to one of the other ammunition makers.

Huntsville will likely be returned to the City, that in turn would probably try to attract its own firearms related business due to all the ranges and firearms specific facility modification Remington did to the facility.

Ilion NY is were the core of Remington and Marlin is currently being made. But buying that facility that is in parts nearly 200 years old is an EPA nightmare. Remington has been grandfathered into a lot of that regulation. A new owner of that facility might not and the expense of bring much of that old and very larger (~1 million sq feet) facility up to modern standards could be prohibitively expensive.

Sturgis is the Custom Shop and Dakota Arms and it will be interesting to see what happens to that as those personnel are fairly valuable due to their skills but very hard to move.

The idea of separating brands is sort of laughable. Other than roll marks and box labels there is no distinction between the brands Remington owns. The same people and machines make everything. The few engineers they have left work across product lines. The idea that you can buy one brand out of the Remington family and get the machines and personnel specialized in that one brand is something that is not possible anymore. All you would get is the brand copyright just like FN with Browning and Winchester.

I fear this is the end of Remington, Marlin, AAC, Barnes, Dakota Arms as we knew it, only a miracle will save any semblance of what those brands use to be. RIP Bushmaster, DPMS, H&R, Para Ordnance, Tapco, The Parker Gun.
 
No, the Golden Boy is Zamak just like all of the Henry 22s. It is just got a faux brass color. The Big Boy is a brass alloy. I did not mean to start a Henry hate thread, I have my preferences and I will much prefer Marlin remain with Remington, or on it's own or some other better outcome than being absorbed by faux Henry. This is the real thing and it does not need to infer a history that did not happen:

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Brasslite my axx.

Yet Marlin doesn't make "real" lever .22s for regular people anymore.
 
https://www.thehighroad.org/index.php?threads/remington-does-it-again-bankruptcy-no-2.870725/

The above is not to thread cap but is another thread we had here on Remington's second bankruptcy that has lots of good background information on this second bankruptcy and the status of Remington.

I posted this because the owner of the LGS I frequent said he got a letter in regards to Remington liquidating assets. That is how I heard it but I was skeptical of the details without having read the letter myself. I was unsure if this meant Chapter 11 had been amended to Chapter 7 or if this was still part of Ch 11.
 
I posted this because the owner of the LGS I frequent said he got a letter in regards to Remington liquidating assets. That is how I heard it but I was skeptical of the details without having read the letter myself. I was unsure if this meant Chapter 11 had been amended to Chapter 7 or if this was still part of Ch 11.

Not a lawyer for sure, but I believe the auction in September is the final effort to keep the Chapter 11 from become a Chapter 7. I believe that if no one is willing to buy it in September then it would be forced into a Chapter 7 liquidation. None the less its hard to image Remington being anything close to what it was in the past, after September's auction no matter what happens. Though I think after September there might then be a few possible routes to something better (at least for parts of the company) depending on who buys the remnants but it will never be the same that is for sure.
 
The logical way to break it up would be by facilities. Ilion NY, Huntsville AL (though Remington does not own the Huntsville facility, the city of Huntsville does), Lonoke AK, Mona UT, Sturgis, SD, and Madison NC.

Lonoke (Remington has two ammunition plants there) and Mona (Barnes Bullets) could go together or separately to one of the other ammunition makers.

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When did Arkansas sell Lonoke to Alaska?:scrutiny:
 
I'd think that Ruger might be interested.

They don't have a shotgun line, the 870 and various auto models might appeal to them.

Ruger might even be interested in the Marlin line. Ruger doesn't have a lever action at all.

I'd really like to see Ruger pick up Para but I don't know if they could investment cast that frame. Maybe Springfield Armory would pick it up.

There's a real hole in the market for double stack 1911 pistols at or under the $1,000 mark. RIA is the only player right now and they seem to have a problem keeping stock on the shelves.
 
Hard to believe that a household name in ammo, and has a long history with several still popular and viable firearm platforms, would bite the dust. Many blame the model 70/700 trigger lawsuits for the companies demise, but IMHO, it's just a combination of poor management, greed by stockholders and the volatile market of late. Hard to believe that any major manufacturer/supplier of popular ammo and/or firearms would be struggling lately. Odds are it's far more ludicrous for investors to allow the company to fold than to keep it going.
 
Hard to believe that a household name in ammo, and has a long history with several still popular and viable firearm platforms, would bite the dust. Many blame the model 70/700 trigger lawsuits for the companies demise, but IMHO, it's just a combination of poor management, greed by stockholders and the volatile market of late. Hard to believe that any major manufacturer/supplier of popular ammo and/or firearms would be struggling lately. Odds are it's far more ludicrous for investors to allow the company to fold than to keep it going.

It’s a long read but but it basically tells you what happened.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/05/01/magazine/remington-guns-jobs-huntsville.html
 
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