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Finally asked for my CHP

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by halfded, Mar 6, 2010.

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  1. halfded

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    I was finally asked for my CHP yesterday by the local county mounties.

    We had gone to a friend's funeral and my wife and I were going to have lunch before she had to head to work. I was wearing my Taurus 856 in a Don Hume J.I.T. strongside about 4 oclock. I had my shirt tucked into khakis with a sport coat (I usually wear tshirt/sweatshirt and jeans, so I thought I looked pretty good), but can't wear the coat while I"m driving so I had it draped across the passenger seat.

    I pulled up at the Wendy's, noticing the deputy standing by his cruiser finishing what appeared to be a milkshake. I, without thinking of my change in attire for the day, hopped out of the car and turned to lean across the seat and grab my jacket. I stood up again and donned my jacket, going from open to concealed carry. During this short process, I became aware that I was being watched by the officer, but couldn't really figure out why until I got my jacket on and realized what I had just done (nothing illegal, just really obvious to the deputy).

    He waits for his partner to come out of the restaurant and starts across the parking lot.

    "Good afternoon young man. You got a permit for that weapon you got stuck in your belt?" He is standing in a defensive posture and his partner is to my right at enough of an angle that he'd be able to shoot me before I could make the turn from his partner to him if I happened to be a BG, I suppose. Kinda funny actually, you could see the 3 of us analyzing the situation as it progressed.

    I'm thinking to myself that it's not stuck in my belt, it's properly holstered on my person. I said "Yes sir, sure do. I'm going to reach for my wallet in my back left pocket to get it."

    He agrees and I EVER SO SLOWLY pull out my wallet. "Here's my DL and here's my CHP."

    He stands for a second scrutinizing my permit so I tell him "it expires 10/28 of this year". He looks at it for a moment longer, hands it back with a gruff "Thanks" and walked away abruptly.

    For some reason I can't help but think that this is one of the anti-gun LEOs that are brought up here now and then. I think he thought that he was going to catch me on a technicality as far as going from open to concealed. Maybe he thought I didn't have a permit and didn't know that I needed one (which I'm sure he would have been happy to inform me of after relieving me of my property) or something along those lines.

    Please bear in mind that I'm not bashing LEOs and know they have a job to do and have to maintain their safety first. Like I said, I just got the feeling that this guy was fishing for something to hassle me about. Slow day on the highway maybe?

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    I'm sure someone will chime in and ask the necessity of carrying at a funeral. It's not the funeral I'm worried about, it's all the time between here and there that concerns me.
     
  2. mbt2001

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    Every time someone sees a speeder they say "WHERE ARE THE COPS???" when they ARE the speed they say "GO ARREST SOME REAL CRIMINALS!!!!"

    Point is, he was doing his job, was polite for the most part didn't ask to handle your weapon and go nutty when a bullet was "chambered" and then unload it and tell you to keep it that way or anything. Just examined the your "papers" and left. Maybe he was irritated about having to ask if your "papers were in order".

    You handled it well. If only ALL meeting went so smoothly! Sorry to hear about your recent loss... Did you at least get a frosty?
     
  3. luigi

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    The OP wasn't doing anything illegal there was no reason for his papers to be asked for.
     
  4. mbt2001

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    The LEO would have been bad at his job if he DIDN'T ask. If you were the LEO you would have asked. I would have. There are a LOT of criminals that get picked up for no tail lights or something and the cop then discovers a body in the back seat or likewise. His experience is telling him to check it out. Can't hate on that.
     
  5. halfded

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    Just to clarify, in Virginia a CHP holder is not required to present "paperwork" at a traffic stop or any other time voluntarily, but must be able to present it on demand at any time a firearm is concealed.

    I decided to take the High Road when he asked if I had one and volunteered to show it; rather than waste more of my time and tax money by being a jerk and saying something like "yes I do, would you like to see it?" or something smart alecky like that.

    As for him being irritated about having to do his job; too bad, that's why my tax dollars just bought his biggie sized #3.

    I think that if I hadn't put on my jacket and gone with open carry, this exchange wouldn't have occurred. It's when I put my jacket on and went to concealed carry that I really got his attention. Like I said, maybe he was trying to catch me on a technicality, maybe he was just going to politely inform me that I needed a permit if I didn't have one. The body language of these two officers insinuates that if I hadn't of been able to produce my permit, I'd have been cuffed and stuffed; maybe with a bit of prejudice.

    Bottom line, I appreciate them doing their job (especially with the influx of wannabe gangbangers around here), but professional courtesy goes a long way. If I was really up to no good, would I really be dumb enough to open carry a shiny revolver in a shiny leather holster in broad daylight right in front of 2 LEOs? In my opinion, there was no need to speak to me in a condescending fashion, nor to approach me in such an aggressive fashion. The officer I spoke to directly was ready for a gunfight. See OP for details.

    As an aside, I'm one of the few people with the intergrity to tell the truth when I get pulled over (not very often).

    Cop: "Why were you speeding?"

    Me: "Honestly, I didn't see you sitting there running radar sir."
     
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  6. huntsman

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    We live in America there shouldn’t be any PAPERS.
     
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    He did his job and did it well.
    Reminding you it's ready to expire isn't a bad thing

    AFS
     
  8. Zach S

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    You'd be surprised. The LEOs I know have more "dumb criminal" stories than you've seen on TV...
     
  9. halfded

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    He didn't remind me, I reminded him. My permit is from a neighboring county so I think he had trouble finding the exp. date. Fortunately for him, I have all the information on my permit memorized. :cool:
     
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    I think it went well. The LEO may have thought you were trying to hide the handgun after spotting them, not really knowing you had a CCW. I guess he could have been friendlier, but in my experience, many of them take themselves much more seriously than their job; displaying the "I'm the man" mentality.
     
  11. halfded

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    Another note:

    In my area, the LEOs seem to lean to one extreme or the other. I've dealt with some that have seen my "man purse" on the seat next to me and never said a word. I've had my CC gun on the seat next to me, half covered by a hat, again nothing. Got stopped for a tail light out and the officer gave me the third degree about where I got my gun, how long have I had it, would I be opposed to him running the serial #, etc.

    Guess it just depends on the officer's knowledge of the law and personal discretion.
     
  12. jimmyraythomason

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    He is required to have a permit to carry concealled. It was known to the officer that the OP was carrying concealled. The same if he was driving and was asked for his DL,or asked for a fishing license while fishing ,same thing. The officer was doing his job that we pay for with our taxes. Big difference than being radomly stopped and asked for "your papers".
     
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    None of your business, also none of your business and if you think you have probable cause to do so, knock yourself out.
     
  14. Alex23

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    Round here if you display your 'concealed' weapon you have broken the law. You would be highly unlikely to be charged with anything but this is all on you.

    The officer had every right to check you out.

    Try to keep it concealed next time, eh?
     
  15. jimmyraythomason

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    But not here. Open carry is legal and no permit needed. Virginia may be different but since he wasn't arrested or charged he was likely okay there too.
     
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    Open carry is legal here, and depending on the area it's fairly common. No permit is required. As far as I know, transitioning from open to concealed isn't illegal either.

    1. Why? I didn't do anything wrong.
    2. This wasn't an attempt to display my status of being armed. I can't drive with the sport coat on. I parked between 2 other cars in an attempt not to draw attention to myself. It was either do it my way, leave the gun home or in the car (not an option), or rip the coat trying to drive in it. How would you have done it? Leave the jacket in the car and cause a stir in the Wendys? Consider the ripped jacket a fashion statement?

    Not trying to jump on you but consider the circumstances before you make condescending remarks, eh? ;)
     
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    So, if a cop sees you driving, according to this rationale, it's OK for the cop to stop you and ask to see your driver's license, just because he sees you driving?
     
  18. THE_POPE

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    You handled it the way any mature, intelligent gent would have, or should have, kudos to ya.....I have never been pulled over, but I also would be polite, not condenscending in the least, why poke a " bear" in the face without due cause ? ?

    Even though I will agree that we really shouldn't need "papers", we live in the real world, where L/E's need to be cautious to live another day....

    Half of the L/E's in my neck-o-the-woods have no problemo with citizen carry, half do, so it's a toss as to whether I would get hassled or not....I legally carry, yes, with papers, so it really doesn't matter to me if they see my pistol(s) as I can carry conceal, or not , in Indiana...

    The more we, as a group, eleviate the irrational fears of the local constabulary , or the ordinary citizenry , the farther we go in our pursuit of true carry happiness.

    I am OuT......peace, and safe shooting to all....:cool:
     
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    No he can't NavyLT BUT he CAN and does ask for your license once he has you stopped. They DO have road blocks simply for the purpose of checking licenses and other required registration and equipment.
     
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    ^^that's true. I've been through a couple of them. They just look at your license, look at your insurance documents (make sure they're current and apply to that vehicle) then on your way you go. If you've got a light out or something, they can give you a "fix it" ticket, but that's about all.
     
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    Could have gone better (or not at all), but certainly could have gone a lot worse. From what you said I wouldn't necessarily say he is against ccw, but he didn't have to be patronizing either. I have a lot of respect for LE, but there are a few out there with such power trips that it makes even law abiding citizens wary of them. Very unfortunate.

    The other example you gave though would have me absolutely livid. Some LEO's really think we live in a police state.

    You sir however did handle it exactly perfect. Very professional and then came here to rant and let off some steam.

    I applaud your tactfulness.

    Shawn
     
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    That's awesome. He was all revved up to bust you on a concealed weapon, and you popped his balloon.
     
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    It just don't get any better than that!
     
  24. Alex23

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    It may be legal but you can't really be surprised about this can you? Open carry raises eyebrows as it is - and you were not open carrying you were failing, for a moment, to properly concealed carry. See the difference and why it might interest a cop?
    Not having a pop at you but I'd find a way to carry so as not to raise suspicion. You can complain about the cops all you like but what you did was highly likely to raise an eyebrow.
    Thank you, I have considered them. And I know that one thing that *definitely* gets cops attention is this.

    I'm just suggesting you dress around your gun more effectively so that you don't have to make another post like this.
     
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    I think you handled it correctly. Keep in mind the LEO sees someone get out of a car and then conceals his handgun. Like you said, here in Virginia open carry is legal and concealed requires a permit. I think he did right by checking with you. No harm no foul. Keep in mind two security officers at the Pentagon were shot yesterday by someone walking up to them with two concealed handguns. This may have had them and a lot of other LEO's a little more on the "alert" side.
     
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