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Finally left CA. Surprised to feel so relieved...

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by Buckskinner, Jan 11, 2006.

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  1. Buckskinner

    Buckskinner Member

    Feb 5, 2003
    Snoqualmie Valley, Washington
    I'm posting this because I had to make a decision recently about relocating out of CA for a new job, and I had searched many boards for stories of how folks' felt and what they found out of state. Since I didn't find many posts like this one, and I know many people have mentioned publicly how they'd like to leave KA, I'm sharing some thoughts.

    I am a fifth generation Californian. My grandmother was born and raised in SF, which was a much different place in the '20's and '30s, as you can imagine. My children were born in Berkeley, which will be funny later in their life, I hope. But my California is much different than the stereotypical "KA" that so many hoplophiles rail against.

    I grew up between the Gold Country, which is mostly National Forest and very small country towns, and the Bay Area which is a huge metropolis of literally millions of people. My perspective is of a kid who lived in 23 places by the time I was 21, most in places like Richmond, Hayward, Coloma, Georgetown, San Leandro and Oakland. I hunted and fished, and camped alone on ridges and creek bottoms since I was a wee tyke. I know the majesty of the Sierra, and have hiked in manzanita on the West slope and sage on the East, alike. Caught fish with my bare hands in a pristine mountain stream after killing and gutting and packing out a big ol' buck, and then been mugged in Oakland on the same weekend. Panned for gold in the high country, sailed competitively on and out of SF Bay, scuba and abalone from Mendocino to Monterey, snowboarded and flyfished the same day.

    There is a lot to love about my CA.

    Then I became a gun nut, and realized what a jacked up place KA is for law abiding citizens who want to be left alone, but with the stroke of a pen turned into criminals. The KA that set precedence for "no duty to protect" by cops, and "registration leads to confiscation". My "representatives" belonging to a social elite that doesn't know or care about many of their constituents. I come from the land of Pelosi, Feinstein, Perata Barbara Lee and worse.

    So, for many years, I've been trying to figure out a financially sound strategy for leaving the state. Sucking the tit of mother CA is easy to do. Folks have a lot of money. I started three businesses, and never had a cash flow problem. In the Bay Area, all you need to do is want to work, and you will find a decent paying job eventually. But the politics of KA, not the CA I love, was weighing more and more heavily on my shoulders.

    Leaving for areas that were rumored to have a lower cost of living, but also had lower wages was problematic with all my expensive hobbies, an expensive wife, two expensive kids, and two new cars. But we searched and dreamed and kept our irons in the fire and our noses to the wind.

    And a job finally did come up, and we did relocate to Redmond WA.

    We absolutely love it! It has rained for 22 days straight now, and the record of 33 days is in sight. But I live on an acre, with horses, llamas, shetland ponies, and bulldogs on the surrounding properties, and my kids are totally enthralled. The gunshops are cool, and they actually have EBR's there! I can buy standard capacity mags for my Glock and Mini. I can take the HK out to the range without freaking out or commiting a crime. In fact the first time I did take the HK to the range, it sure felt strange...but goooooood!

    I went back to CA to pick up a final load of stuff, having been out of state for 45 days. Let me tell you, I couldn't wait to get back to WA. In fact, I flew in that day, rented a truck, packed it to the gills, and drove straight back home to WA. Because that's what it feels like now, "home".

    KA was busy, crowded, fast, hostile, dangerous, aloof, smelly and expensive.
    WA is all of these but less so, and in more manageable quantities.
    WA is kid friendly. Its gun friendly. Its just plain friendly.
    Its also wet and green. And the fishing is supposed to be great.

    I used to think I camped with those who said "don't leave! The fight is here! We need all right thinking folks we can get!". But holding my daughters, and hoping for a better future, KA just doesn't deserve us. I'm here to tell you the state is almost ruined. There is hope in rural CA, but as the baby boomer yuppies sell their shacks in San Fran for 2 million dollars and buy Grampa's 4 acres in Shingle Springs for $600K, and turn Gram's little hardware store into a perfumy boutique, that hope is fading fast.

    I'm glad I"m gone.

    A very interesting thing about this is the absolute feeling of relief I have. I feel like there are layers of KA repression peeling off me like an onion. My friend who moved from CA to CO last year, also a hoplophile, mentioned the same thing. Very liberating.

    This is one Californian who will try to fight the good fight in WA, and believe me we need it here. KA is exporting some bad juju. The leftist politicians here are just as bad, maybe worse than the bad ones in KA. I'll be learning and voting.

    Thanks for letting me vent a bit I guess.

    Good luck if you're thinking of moving out of the Golden State.

    WA, thanks for welcoming me. I know there might be those who resent their southern neighbors coming up and ruining the neighborhood, but I'll try to be a good Washingtonian. As far as gun nuts are concerned, anyway...

    If you're coming to WA drop me a line.

    If you're in WA, and you want a fishing or shooting buddy, I have bird dogs and will travel!

  2. esheato

    esheato Member

    Apr 8, 2003
    Awesome post Buckskinner. Once the military deems me fit to leave, I'll drive away and not look back.

  3. spaceCADETzoom

    spaceCADETzoom Member

    Dec 26, 2005
    Belton, TX
    Buck, you post so much of what I feel about California. I'm not as "relieved" as you are, though. I'm a third generation Californian and I'll tell you something about California that you indirectly touched on. California has been changed by NON-Californians. They hear about stuff like hippies, et al, and move here and change this lovely state. CA has had a long, proud history and is doubtlessly a beautiful place with rich culture and great people. It's too bad the last several decades have changed that. Outside of its gun laws, I'd still take it over any state in the union. I've lived in Kansas, Washington, and a good long while in Arizona. California was a state of bear hunters, gold miners, surfers, frontiersmen, cav troopers, spaniards, mexicans, rebels, pirates, aviators, orange farmers, record breakers, dreamers... it wasn't a land of hippies, hoplophobes, metrosexuals, urbanites...

    Everytime some non-Californian slams California it hurts. The vast majority of these numbskulls throwing around "Peoples Republic of **********" are people just like the jerks that hear this stereotype, move here, and furhter change it into thier urban "utopia" of draconian big brother crap. THey hear something, inflate it, and react on it--having spent time in one CA spot or not been here at all. And it snowballs. One group moves here and F___s the state up more, thinking californians think like them; the other group is just as ignorant and points and fingerwaves at silly "godless hollywood"...

    ANyway. my post doesnt make sense. I just feel bad about my homestate. I'm proud of its history and cry about its present and future. I just wish outsiders would just leave us alone.

    Anyway, I'm military and am no longer tied to CA by citizenship. I just got a Nevada drivers license a few weeks ago. I'm planning to change my residence again, as I'm not a fan of Clar County's handgun laws. Either way, there will always be a warm place in my heart for CA, and a tear for its future.


    Apr 5, 2005
    Anchorage, Alaska
    Washington, O.K. now thats far enough... Better not catch you tryin' to cross the Canadian border on your way to Alaska... We don't want no Perfumy Boutiques up here... LOL :D Just jokin'...

    I've always wondered how miserable it would be to live there... I'm glad I don't!! In Luziana, before I went in the military, a couple with several kids moved in behind my parent's house from **********!! One day I was outside shooting my AK-47 in my backyard, when Mr. Neighbor comes over and informs me that what I was doing was illegal.... Did I mention I lived in the sticks? I told him he was free to call and ask the police to come out and stop me.... They didn't show! He never bothered me again either... I can only imagine the Sherriff's Dept dispatcher askin' him "just were exactly are you from Boy?" :neener:

    - Clint
  5. BruceB

    BruceB Member

    Jun 26, 2004
    Your reaction to the escape from California surely resonates with me.

    After fifty years in Canada, it was truly an incredible relief to alight in Nevada eight years ago, where personal freedom and the lack of nanny-statism allow law-abiding CITIZENS (not "subjects" ) to do very much as they please, particularly in the area of firearms and their uses.

    We are far happier here, especially since we are very active shooters (and also holders of concealed-handgun permits). Try getting THAT permit in Canada!

    Unfortunately, I have family living in both Canada AND California, and on occasion I do have to visit both regimes. In fact, we're off to San Diego in the immediate future for a weekend visit with my Dad, and I won't be comfortable again until we cross the Nevada line on the way home.
  6. DunedinDragon

    DunedinDragon Member

    Nov 21, 2005
    I'm not surprised by this post at all. In my extended family of uncles, aunts and cousins, mine was the family that was an outcast when I was growing up. They all lived in California..2nd and 3rd generation. On the other hand, we were born and raised in Texas. I remember thinking as a kid how lucky my cousins were they were living in such a place.

    Of course now, with the exception of an uncle and two aunts in their 70's, everyone else has moved on. I don't know exactly when everything changed there, but it wasn't changed by native Californians. They all just got tired of the nonsense and moved. Amazingly enough, a few of them moved to Texas!! ;)
  7. Spot77

    Spot77 Member

    Apr 1, 2003
    Posts like that almost bring a tear to my eye.

    Congrats on finding "home"; it's a tough thing to do and be truly happy.

    Now go shoot the crap out of something. :cool:
  8. SSN Vet

    SSN Vet Member

    Jan 3, 2006
    The Dark Side of the Moon
    an invite to those "depressed" in CA

    Calling all "right" minded CA residents...we need you in Maine and New Hampshire.

    The gun grabbing Kennedy crowd from MA are finding "affordable" digs in our fair states and ruining them.

    Right minded people still have a strong voice, but the scales have just recently tilted in the balance of political power.

    Come hunt black bear and sturdy Maine white tails (filling mutliple tags)

    Come shoot at a local range, just a mile or two down the road.

    Enjoy four seasons.

    Enrol your sons in a boy scout troop with out putting a lightning rod on your head.

    Ride your snowmobile or dirt bike untill your hearts content.

    And come vote the nut cakes out of power.

    Here's a wonderful quote from the Maine 's constitution...

    Article 1, Section 16. To keep and bear arms.
    Every citizen has a right to keep and bear arms and this right shall never be questioned.
  9. taliv

    taliv Moderator

    Oct 23, 2004
    believe it or not, buckskinner, i felt the exact same way moving from ohio to tennessee two years ago. what a relief!

    i spent 5 years in cali (sacramento) when i was a kid. it was great. i travel back to the bay area often enough on business to realize how glad i am that i don't live there
  10. joesixpack

    joesixpack Member

    Jan 7, 2006
    I just moved to WA from CA about 8 months ago, and I couldn't be happier. My wife, 3yo son and I were living in the second worst neighborhood in Long Beach. Snoop-Doggies old "hood", to be precise (I owned a 3-plex near the intersection of LB Blvd and Anaheim Rd, if anyone knows the neighborhood). It was a great house, a craftsman style built in 1912 with lots of mahogony built-ins. I had lot's of good neighbors and we looked out for one another. I never had a break-in or grafitti on my property....


    the sad fact is that in most (if not all) bad neighborhoods, it's the 2% with whome the cops spend 98% of their time on that make the neighborhood bad. In the time I lived their, we had several Drive-by shootings and a couple of gang brawls right in front of our house. My wife and I used the public transit, so I wanted a CCW. Impossible to obtain one in LA county unless you're friends with the mayor or sheriff. I was so happy that WA was a "shall issue" state, and I planned on getting my permit as soon as I could...


    Where I live now, I need a CCW about as much as I need a parachute on a boat. I'll probably get one eventually, but frankly, it's pretty far down on my list of priorities.

    So, now I live in Long Beach WA, right at the mouth of the Columbia river. I don't have soot covering my car every morning, I don't have grafitti to look at, I havn't heard anybodys car stereo, no drive-by shootings, havn't had to call the police once in the time I've lived here ( a weekly occurence back in CA) and as near as I can tell, all I've given up is the dry weather, which I never was able to enjoy because I worked indoors in a place with no windows.

    Oh, by the way, this is my first post. Hi everyone;)
  11. Tokugawa

    Tokugawa Member

    Jun 21, 2005
  12. middy

    middy Member

    Mar 26, 2004
    CA is beautiful, and all the true natives I've met were stand up guys. It's too bad about all the jerks who moved there and are ruining it. It used to be the Shangri-La of the Old West, now it's on its way to becoming just another socialist hellhole.
  13. Ares

    Ares Member

    Dec 6, 2005
    Gee thanks, Now I want to get out of NY even more :) Contrats BuckSkinner! :)
  14. orionengnr

    orionengnr Member

    Jan 3, 2005
    left CA five years ago

    after the military "deposited" me there in 1981.

    Moved to IL for my career's sake; thought I was getting out of the most gun-unfriendly place in the US. Maybe I was, but I traded it for the second-worst...

    I ended up in TX two years ago. As the previous poster said, I may not need a CHL here as badly as the prior two places, but the simple fact that I can was motivation enough...

    God Bless Red States!
  15. jamz

    jamz Member

    Nov 28, 2003
    Seacoast NH
    +1 !!

    I moved from MA to Maine for this reason. (Well, that and my wife wanted to :p )

  16. engineer151515

    engineer151515 Member

    Oct 6, 2005
    US Southern Gulf Coast
    During my residence in Orange County, CA, I held the position that I loved California, but California just didn't love me.

    LA was a land of extremes. Things were either really good or really bad. Very little in the middle (IMO). CA in the mid-1980's was doing their best to regulate smokestack industries out of the area so Chemical Engineering jobs were drying up. Unfriendy gun laws. High home costs (impossible for me to keep up with just the increase in real estate costs) and high insurance costs. Crowded. You could work real hard and end up with nothing after paying the rent, feeding the kids, paying the car note and what-not. I did see some real success stories but it was like professional sports - for every example of a Michael Jordan, I'll point to a hundred examples of good players that did not hit it big. Plus having your car stolen a couple of times gets expensive too.

    I still have family in LA. I loved the food. I love the scenery of the land. But I doubt I'll ever go back at this point. Alabama has been a good home to finish raising my kids. They are almost grown and gone now. After that - who knows. Maybe hang around Florida / Alabama? Looking west, maybe Utah? Maybe Nevada? Texas would have been a natural choice for a Chemical Engineer but it has grown so much and has a lot of border problems.

    I understand the relief you felt. BTW - Mobile, Alabama is one of the few cities in the continental US that gets more rain than Seattle, WA. It rained for 2 weeks straight shortly after we arrive in AL and my CA wife thought we might have to start building an ark. :)
  17. trickyasafox

    trickyasafox Member

    Dec 22, 2004
    upstate NY go to school in WNY
    congrats on a sucessful move and a smooth transition!
  18. Werewolf

    Werewolf Member

    Sep 12, 2003
    A number of posters have pointed out that CA was quite a good place until all the folks who lived a bit differently from the rest of us discovered that CA would welcome them. The posters have noted that all those outsiders are the reason CA is so screwed up today. A lot of posts in other threads have noted how both Montana and Idaho are getting screwed up by the CA whackos moving there.

    Well - the exact same thing is happening to the USA. We are expected to welcome all those immigrating here (legal or illegal). They are having a huge impact on our economy and our culture.

    Californians still have a place to run to if they get fed up but the day will come when there is no place left for Americans to run to.
  19. wqbang

    wqbang Member

    Mar 20, 2003
    Washington has great gun laws, but vigilance is still required. Every year the Seattle legislators attempt to impose more gun control. Washington GOAL, WSRPA, NRA, WAC and other groups are very strong here, but I am afraid that Puget Sound will continue to gain political power over the rest of the state. Washington is changing, and sadly... it's in the California mold. The same policies that cause high cost of living in Cali are alive and well here.
  20. Old Dog

    Old Dog Member

    Aug 11, 2004
    somewhere on Puget Sound
    Having lived in California for about 12 years, off and on (Bay Area and all over San Diego County), I totally understand Buckskinner's feelings. I have many, many fond memories of California (and a daughter and mother-in-law still living there), but the state is so incredibly screwed up ... it's good to be gone.

    Buckskinner, don't forget to hit the WAC Gun Show in Puyallup on the 21st or 22nd ... if you've only been to gun shows in CA, you might be pleasantly surprised ... Also, you've got a good-sized cadre of THR folks in the Puget Sound area ...
  21. liberty911

    liberty911 Member

    Apr 16, 2005
    As a third generation Californian, I hear and understand everything you said. I have given notice at my job and in the process of packing it up and moving across the country to Florida. California is ruined. It is simply not the place it was. I seriously doubt it will ever be able to rebuild itself to its former glory.
  22. danurve

    danurve Member

    Jan 3, 2006
    Syracuse, NY
    Buckskinner; I was a CA. long term visitor, stationed in SanDog for 4 years, well 3&1/2.
    Hey, enjoy the new digs and especially the Fishing!
  23. Dain Bramage

    Dain Bramage Member

    Jan 2, 2003
    Arlington, WA
    It's kind of funny that the Soviet Republic of Washington is your idea of salvation. Our gun laws are still okay, but they're a relic of an old bygone Washington that was a mix of socialists, aerospace, and timber, coming out of the spin-cycle as a sort of pink libertarianism. That state, once represented in the senate by a dynasty of hawkish democrats, is now like those protagonists Scoop Jackson and Warren Magnuson; they're dead Jim.

    The state legislature just opened with a Democrat majority, and a Democrat-majority senate, and a Democrat governor-usurper. Don't just hide your daughters and livestock, get a death grip on your gun rights.

    The last time the legislature tried to trim gun rights was with a gun-lock initiative, and they were smacked down. Now the Seattle P-I and Seattle Police Chief Gil "Unlocked Glock" Kerlikowski are whispering about the "Gunshow Loophole". Do we have the numbers to stop them this time?

    Unlike the stereotypical Californians we make fun of up here, it sounds like we can count on you to help. Get involved, write letters, and since you're in King county, vote often.
  24. The-Fly

    The-Fly Member

    Nov 1, 2005
    Northern Colorado
    great posting...i moved to colorado 2 years ago, and never looked back.
  25. Boats

    Boats member

    Dec 29, 2002
    I'll echo Dain for a moment. All of this migration from the "oppressed" areas of the nation to the "freedom loving" areas of the nation just serve mainly to oppress the freedom loving. The idea that Renton or greater Seattle is paradise compared to California is laughable to anyone in the region for awhile. With all of the pinko/communist Democrats in the Seattle region, maybe it really does feel like "home.":(

    There are plans afoot to adopt CA emissions regs in OR and WA. Couldn't have anything to do with the increased emissions from all of those refugees and their ideas that "smog checks" are no big deal? Senators Cantwell and Murray are capable of any depth of stupidity that Feinstein and Boxer can reach. Gov. Gregoire is Gov. Davis in a skirt.

    Of course, the traffic in Portland and Seattle is now just shy of insane. The property values in both states' more popular regions are skewed by bubble market money from Cali. The politics get more watermelon all of the time. Oregon actually has a debate going on in Democratic circles that the leftist union propped incumbent Governor isn't lefty enough for their tastes.

    So while it is true that the "importation" of gun nuts is probably a boon, such persons in no way offset the other nine out of ten Californians who move up here to get away from sprawl and wind up creating it so that they can live in a suburb, work in the city, but live near an IKEA outlet in an upscale strip mall.

    Of course, after I move away from Oregon to North Dakota later this year, there will be some wag saying the same things about me.;)
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