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Finally tried pistol red dot

Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by needmorecowbell, Aug 7, 2021.

  1. needmorecowbell

    needmorecowbell Member

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    05739E66-B336-462E-AA67-5A7BD6F6B563.jpeg 27568CE5-3ACC-4CA5-9B3A-CAEA686C9260.jpeg 3C054F14-29A0-48A8-951A-B2F88C94550B.jpeg OK so up until now I’ve rejected the need to try a red dot on a pistol. Well about a week ago a Shadow Systems DR920 popped up on Armslist and so I thought why not. Then I put a Holosun red dot on it and gave it a try. Let me just say I love this thing. Even got a very very nice IWB kydex holster sold by Tacticon Armament for $15 on Amazon that fits with the RD. Great set up. Now I want the G19 size MR920.
     
  2. Monac

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    Thanks for posting this, needmorecowbell. I've been thinking of doing the same thing, but I haven't gotten off the dime yet.
     
  3. needmorecowbell

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    Your welcome. Sometimes we all just need a little nudge
     
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    LOT of people love to hate on these things. I LOVE them as my aging eyes just do not work like they used too. The tech has gotten a LOT better and the price for nice ones got a lot lower.
     
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    Nice Shadow, I've got an MR920 that's been a nice gun so far.
     
  6. FIVETWOSEVEN

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    Once one goes through that short transition period, they're not going to want to go back to just irons. I've never once talked to someone that was competent with a red dot that prefers irons.
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    I had a hard time with RDS on a Glock and had given up. I went to a Staccato event with a properly zeroed RDS on a couple I ran including the P Duo and I was impressed. I may be going back again soon.
     
  8. TTv2

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    Oh, I love them on larger size pistols, but putting a red dot on an LCP Max is about the dumbest thing I've ever heard of.
     
  9. needmorecowbell

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    I’m not a patient man. Picked up the MR920 to go with the DR920 and another HS507c.
     

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  10. Jimbo80

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    I can't get over the feeling that it's cheating.
     
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    I take the opposite tac and say anything that you can do to improve the bullet placement with your small, possibly under-powered, carry pistol should be done. Red Dots have another major virtue -- you look thru the dot and focus your vision on the target (threat) which is the natural thing to do under stress. Focusing on the front sight instead of the target is damn hard to do when the bullets might be flying both ways!

    The SIG ROMEO ZERO is about the smallest Red Dot out there that I'm aware of and would be a great addition to the LCP MAX or new MAX-9. Its a bit more difficult to get setup (non-click adjustments that need an 0.050" hex wrench) and you need to remove the sight to change batteries, but it turns off automatically when the gun has been stationary for a few minuted and turns on again when the gun is moved.

    It takes some getting used to as you've trained all your shooting career to "focus on the front sight" or "focus on the reticle" but if you focus on the dot they don't work very well.

    I've been an "early adopter" of red dots on sub-compact carry guns, my first in 2011:
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    What I've been carrying since I retired in 2014 and no longer need such "deep" concealment:
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    And finally what I'm currently setting up and planning to move to, to get a higher round count:
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  12. needmorecowbell

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    Wally, let me know how you like the Zero. Just sold my standard Hellcat and bought the OSP. Was thinking of going with the Zero also but can’t decide.
     
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    I went with the Sig Romeo Zero for my Kel-Tec PMR30. It is super light at 0.4 ounces and was easy to zero in at 25 yards for me. They only thing I don't care bout is the body is polymer. But I had to go that route to get the lightest red dot in order to get the PMR30 to function.

    The transition to pistol mounted optics was easy for me since I have been using them for years on rifles. One thing I do like to do on my pistols is use taller suppressor height sights. The AmeriGlo GL429 is perfect with the SwampFOx Optics micro reflex sights. The irons sit high enough to use but don't block hardly any of the optic window.
     
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    I just got back from the range with its first outing. Didn't have the optic screws mounted tightly enough initially, but no issues after re-tightening them. I used the iron sights do a pre-shooting zero but not knowing the Hellcat sight picture, turned out it was about 4" high at ~10 yards. Tweaked it and then ran ~130 rounds of 147gr FMJ, 50 rounds of Brown Bear 115 gr FMJ, and finally 50 rounds of my carry ammo 147gr Winchester Ranger-T JHP. No failures of any kind. So initial experience was very positive. Off a sandbag at 10 yards there was not enough difference among the three ammo types to attempt further tweaking of the zero.

    Shooting at our club's steel 2/3 IPSC silhouette with 4" pivoting center plate, in rapid fire I was hitting the pivoting plate about 75% with either optic or the laser (which was not so rapid as it was hard to see), the misses were all on the left side of the opening. Looks like I need more time with its trigger, some dry fire is in order, the laser is a good aid for this at home.

    What I don't like about the Romeo Zero is:
    (1) you have to remove the sight to replace the battery.
    (2) the adjustments are non-click and need an 0.050" hex wrench to adjust.

    What I really like is the size, weight, and price -- Joe Bob Outfitters had them on sale for $150, mine came last week so they may still have some.


    The laser sight wandered a lot during the first ~75 rounds I kept tightening the screws and re-adjusting (to the Red Dot) after four times tightening, it stabilized and no further adjustments were needed. Day was too bright to do much more with the laser than get the zero stabilized. Part of it may have been the filing I had to do to get it to fit the Hellcat rail. If it doesn't stay stable I'll get the one with the coupon than came with the pistol and move this laser to a different pistol.

    Its always a problem with mounting parts made of plastic its hard to know when the metal screws are tight enough to hold but not risk breaking it. So needing tightening in the first outing is not necessarily a bad thing. A few more outings should build the required confidence to start actually carrying it.
     
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    Thanks for the update. I went ahead and ordered the Zero today off Amazon $159 for the 6 moa. Should get tomorrow.
     
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    I do.
     
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    Two of my Glock 40s use RMRs, they seem perfect with it.

    I prefer irons on my all of my Glock 17Ls, 24s, and HK Mark 23s...
     
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    I am also a big fan of the RDS on my Kahr. It turned my subcompact breathing-distance gun into a 25 yard+ headshot gun.
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    I was just today shooting the bigger one at 100 yds and... forgot to hold for distance so was 4" low but hit every time within a 6" circle, standing offhand. Out to around 50 I can just aim dead on and hit pretty much anything, and I am just not that good a shot.


    IME, sight removal to replace battery has not required rezero. Both the factory CORE mount and the custom (very custom, very snug) cut just work. Of course I do stuff like use torque wrenches, but annual-ish removal, cleaning, and retorquing seems fine anyway.


    It is absolutely cheating, but it's a gunfight not a chess tournament. Always cheat to win.
     
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    I've tried to like dots on pistols, but I think they are harder to use than iron sights. They also get in the way of racking the slide quickly during a malfunction, which slows me down.
     
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  20. needmorecowbell

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    Got my Sig Zero on my Hellcat now. Really like it. DA00ED79-0D3C-4C9A-B6BD-ADC656C01848.jpeg B41FB9B5-2239-4A36-909C-F7541CBF2EFA.jpeg
     
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    How do they slow down slide manipulation? I shoot entirely action (e.g. IDPA) or practice stuff with reloads, stoppage drills, etc. Never even heard this as a consideration in classes where 90% of students had RDS, or in training literature when transitioning police agencies to RDS sights.

    If you trust the sight, you can even use it as a racker, grab the slide so your hand is close to it and thumb/finger are to the rear more. Slipping will get the web on the RDS body and you keep going. Also of course usable for barricade cocking. But... lots of plastic sights so be aware which you have before you go beating on it too hard!
     
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    It slows it down becuse I grip frm the rear top of the slide, with my hand cupped. With a dot I need to mke sure my palm is clear of the dot. It's a distraction.
     
  23. FIVETWOSEVEN

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    So how many rounds do you have downrange with your RMR equipped Glocks and do you actually run drills with them or just casually paper punch? The preference I've seen with competent red dot shooters is the speed.
     
  24. 12Bravo20

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    While red dots take some time to get use to, they are nice to have once you are use to them. I don't have any issues racking the slides with a RDS mounted.
     
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    Unless your grip is very weird, it sounds the standard way. Slide sizes vary, sights vary, etc. Just had this discussion with some CZ shooters I know insisting their slides were too small to slingshot instead.
    Either way I say just grab the serrations, work the slide, no matter what shape it is It's okay to touch the RDS during slide manipulation.
     
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