Find Another MKII 6 7/8 BBL or buy a New MKIV

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  1. plainsdrifter

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    Kinda torn about getting back another MKII Target I sold so I could get a SR9C to carry since the MKII is rather difficult to carry.
    Now that I ran into the original box I'm jones'n for my old one.
    I keep running into the Tactical MKIV (edited) but they don't scratch my itch.
    Besides the ease of cleaning, why would anyone want the MKIV version?
     
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  2. ColtPythonElite

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    Buy the II
     
  3. plainsdrifter

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    But why why why? I need specific reasons like better accuracy, more solidly built , stuff like that.
     
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  4. ColtPythonElite

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    I'd buy it because I like them. Breaking one down to clean is a non issue for me.
     
  5. AzShooter1

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    I'd buy the Mark II. I have a couple of Mark IVs and I like the easy take down but I have no trouble with a Mark II or III and can take the apart and re assemble them in under 5 minutes.

    I have a friend with a Mark III that took it apart a month ago and hasn't been able to put it back together yet. I told him I'd fix it for him but he just wants to leave it in it's box now and shoot his Browning.
     
  6. plainsdrifter

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    Never had any issue cleaning mine either.
    Just wondering if the IV's are better.
    I mean isn't that why gun manufacturers make more models?
     
  7. jak67429

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    My first mk was a mk11 gov target. still have it. When they first came out I bought a mk4 lite, sold it bought a mk2 22/45 with bull barrel. I use that for steel challenge the only thing I would consider trading it for would be a volquarson.
     
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    The Mark IV comes in a wealth of choices, as to barrel length, etc. Obviously a new Mark IV would be easier to come by, rather than scouring the used market for the Mark II that you would like.

    But, to bring it up to the Mark II standard that you are used to, you would need to do a few things such as get rid of the magazine disconnector. The Mark IV is the best of the series (and I have them all), but not out of the box.
     
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  9. plainsdrifter

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    Those words. I like those words.
     
  10. bannockburn

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    I have had many Mk.IIs and finally settled down with this one. I never cared for the Mk.III and have heard less than favorable reviews of the Mk.IV's trigger. To me they got it right with the Mk.II: reliable, accurate, along with a decent trigger, and an overall higher level of fit and finish.

    I would tell you the same thing about the SR9c as I believe it also to be a well designed and built gun. Definitely better than the Security 9 that replaced it.
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  11. 1KPerDay

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    some like the ambi thumb safeties. Personally they’re in the way for me and I hate the new pivot point gouge in the upper. Get your MKII back IMO
     
  12. BreechFace

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    MKIV and delete the ambi safety. Ruger gives one the parts to do so. Swap in a nice trigger down the road and one has a very nice lower for one's uppers.

    So nice to be able to swap uppers and have a totally different feel in 10 seconds.
     
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  13. AlexanderA
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    I found that the Mark I had the best trigger of them all, out of the box (even better than the legendary Mark II). But of course the Mark II has many other features that might be desirable. Every iteration after the Mark II needs increasing amounts of "retro" modifications to bring it up to snuff. The loaded chamber indicator (Mark III) and the magazine disconnector (Marks III and IV) are good ideas only in the minds of the liability lawyers. In the Mark IV, Ruger even doubled down on the magazine disconnector, making it even more complicated and requiring a little "magazine kicker" at the bottom of the grip. And why is there a nub on the back of the trigger that lifts the magazine as the trigger is pulled? Ya gotta get rid of this stuff if you want a decent target pistol.
     
  14. plainsdrifter

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    Never seen a two toned one like that bannockburn. Cool.
    Yep, I'm leaning on getting the MKII from a friend back east. He has five mags to go with it and a custom made holster he made for $400. Same length 6 7/8. Very good condition.
     
  15. Otto

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    Here’s my MK II Competition Target slab-side bought in ‘04. I’ll be listing it on auction in the next couple of months. It’s NIB and never fired.

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  16. AlexanderA
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    I like those molded boxes. Too bad Ruger discontinued them for the Mark IV. You can still find them on ebay.
     
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    Here's another Mark II I'm putting on the auction block. New in box, which are getting harder to find.


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  18. Skylerbone

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    I’ll add the counterpoints for choosing a Mark IV:

    As previously stated, barrel swaps are a breeze. Now the why of course would be to own one nicely tuned pistol that can shoot various competitions or hunt. Swapping from RDS to scope then back to irons is a breeze.

    Point 2; if you are competing, the magazine release is quicker and easier to use than the older heel release. Yes there’s a spring loaded plunger but so what, it’s a nod to easy release and aftermarket base plates double up your chances for fast mag swaps. It’s also a more consistent means of training.

    Parts obsolescence and never needing to worry about where that barrel has been. The Mark IV is a fully mature product enjoying all of the aftermarket support you could hope for.

    Whether any of the above sways you may depend on what your intended purpose is. The good news is either makes a worthy side kick which is win win for you.
     
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    The Mk4 ambi safety rubs my thumbs. I wanted to like the 4, but I hated it. I'll stick with my mkii's. Now if otto wanted to swap that competition model for my stainless gov target model I'd do that. :) Otherwise I'll keep the guns of my youth.

    Also, the 4's have become stupid expensive. If my 2's were stolen today, I'd replace them with a Buckmark.
     
  20. Skylerbone

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    Perhaps...
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    Ta da!
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  21. AzShooter1

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    The biggest advantage is if you want to change out your barrel. I started out with the 22/45 Lite and added a 5.5 inch Target Barrel and 10 inch Barrel for fun.

    I shoot the Lite for Steel Challenge, the Target for a backup and plinking and the 10 inch is just because I wanted it.

    All barrels were bought from Volquartsen's bargain bin and were very cheap.
     
  22. Slamfire

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    I have been using my MKII Ruger's in Bullseye competition for the last seven years or so. The MKIII was a horrible kludge, so bad that Ruger had to bring out a redesign as smart shooters were walking to other brands. A bud of mine purchased an early MKIII and the pistol was a jam a matic. Could not finish the magazine without one or two stove pipe jams. His pistol had the early, all steel, loaded chamber indicator (LCI). That thing knocked fired brass off the bolt face during ejection, hence the frequent stove pipe jams. When we examined the LCI, we learned that the flange actually rested on the rim of the cartridge. This meant, if you dropped a loaded MKIII, and the LCI made contact with the ground, the force of impact would be transmitted through that LCI to the rim of the cartridge, igniting the cartridge! How such a dangerous design made it out of the factory, I will never know. Anyway, we took that MKIII to a gunsmith who milled off the flange, and bud's MKIII ran great after that. Still the magazine disconnect was a total failure as you have to pull the trigger a number of times to get the hammer strut to align with the mainspring, and that disconnect complicated the disassembly and reassembly procedure.

    I do have a Ruger MKI, and it is a early 60's target model with the factory tuned trigger.

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    I had to pay $100 for a local gunsmith to drill and tap the thing for the Ultradot.

    A MKI is a very simple mechanism, and I can tell William Ruger designed it with Bullseye pistol competition in mind. The mechanism uses the safety to hold the bolt back during reloads. You have to rack the slide, and hold it back while locking it into place by flipping the safety up. So, during the load command in a match, you insert a magazine, hit the safety, and the bolt goes forward. As much as I like the simplicity of the mechanism, I much prefer the bolt open feature of my MKII's as I don't have to count number of rounds fired during timed and rapid fire. When I shoot this MKI, I frequently lose count of fired rounds and end up pulling the trigger on an empty chamber. Not that means anything, if I got my rounds off before the target turned, but it is an aggravation. It also takes two hands to open the slide and push the safety upwards to lock the slide open. And it is easy to sweep the line while doing that.

    I recently paid Clark Custom Guns big bucks for a trigger job on this MKII

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    and Clark did an outstanding job of installing one of their triggers, which reduces trigger take up and over travel. And of course trigger creep during pull is gone. I have found that too much trigger take up results in low shots if I am not concentrating on taking up the trigger slowly. This shows up in the timed and rapid fire stages, and if my timing is off, and I am panicking, I will pull right through a long first stage takeup and hit the trigger too hard. That results in low shots.

    Clark's is on old Hwy 80 in Louisiana. Hwy 80 parallels the I-20 which replaced it as the main drag, but it is interesting to drive down old Hwy 80 and see the gas stations, towns, from decades ago.

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    The MKII is the best of the series, but, after market parts are being phased out. I called Volquartsen for an extended magazine release, and Volquartsen stopped making them two years ago as MKII parts sales no longer sustained the effort to make and stock the things. I was able to buy a Majestic extended magazine release, so things were not a total fizzle, but it could have been. Volquartsen claimed sales of MK IV parts are going well.

    A shooting bud of mine, call him Big Boy, likes his Ruger MK IV. Big Boy shot on the All Guard Pistol team when he was in the military, and he is still active. As I have shot next to him, his MK IV shoots reliably, and tight groups. Nothing wrong with that.

    If you want a 6 7/8 MKII, go for it. I would try to make sure it is drilled and tapped for an optical sight base, as the older you get, the less you can see irons, and the cost of drilling and tapping adds cost to the pistol, without increasing its value. I would also buy whatever parts you think you might need, and avoid paying scalper prices later. I really like my Volquartsen extended magazine release and the extended slide release. And now, I really like my extended Majestic magazine release.
     
  23. kidneyboy

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    The only thing a MKII will do better than a MKIV is evoke memories of your youth. Nothing wrong with that but you generally pay extra to get those memories back.
     
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    It's not the barrel that is swapped, it's the entire upper assembly. Since that is the serialized part of the gun, in reality what you are doing is swapping grip modules.

    Changing the barrel alone is a job for the Ruger factory.
     
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    MKII no mag disconnect safety/guts. It does that a lot better than the MKIV.
    MKII no annoying, in-the-way right side thumb safety. Does this a lot better than the MKIV.
    MKII way better trigger than the MKIV.
    MKII mags way more reliable than the MKIV IME.
    MKII looks a hell of a lot better than the MKIV.
    MKII easier to fully strip and reassemble than the MKIV.
    MKII no MIM. If that's a thing you care about.
     
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