Discussion in 'Gunsmithing and Repairs' started by Johnm1, May 17, 2019.
A lot of good shotgunners shoot with one eye only.
We will see what the trainer says. I'm not big at 5'-7" but for some reason the common modern shotgun configuration (think Remington 870) doesn't have enough drop and no matter how hard I try I have to adjust after shouldering a modern shotgun. The older styles shoulder well with no adjustment. That is what started me into a Fox Model B that I traded for the Sterlingworth.
John do you think a bigger bead would help you with the shotgun or if it will fit a fiber optic slip on.
I don't know if a bigger bead would help. My shotgunning issues are more mechanics than sight related. I think like a bullseye shooter and want to aim and then shoot. When I try to point I just end up shooting all over the place. I just need someone to help me through the fundamentals. Keep in mind I have read all that there is on how to shoot a shotgun but for some reason this is probably going to have to be learned with hands on instruction.
Start with this; it's old, but the fundamentals never change.
I recommend this guy, too:
He has a bit of an accent, but covers Trap well, as well as Skeet and Sporting Clays.
This pdf http://www.damascusiwla.org/Remington_Trap_Fundamentals_2004.pdf by Remington has the basics written down, they cover lead very well.
Thanks for the videos. The first one was quite informative. The gun camera was quite revealing. I'll finish the other in a little bit.
Your refinish came out nice.
I learned to shoot a shotgun on a single shot Stevens 20ga full choke. So I had to make it count since I only had 1 shot. I tried shooting a Rem 1100 in 20 ga, Mod choke, and I consistently shoot 3' under everything. I then tried a Browning Citori 20 ga and everything came back. So that's all I shoot now. My brother has very large hands, like 1 1/2 octave reach on the keyboard. Every time he tries to shoot a double trigger shotgun he fires both barrel at the same time.
Perhaps a stock fit to you would help. American shotgunners generally use what comes on the gun. English shotgunners have more available access to try stocks and skilled fitters who craft a custom fit stock to the individual shooter. I'm sure that we Americans are not completely without that resource, but it would be harder to find here.
There are many stock fitter in the country, but usually a person uses a fitter to improve
shooting scores. A fitting session is not cheap, and the better fitters use try guns.
Field Sport in Traverse City Michigan uses try guns and runs a shooting school.
They have a web site.
Fitting has been a chicken or the egg conundrum for me. I shoot so poorly it didn't seem to make sense to expend a lot of money for it. But that could be my entire issue. I suspect there is a lot more going on though.
I bought my first 12 gauge many years ago for squirrel hunting in East Texas. Too much civilization to trust a .22 . A Smith & Wesson 916T pump 3" chamber 30" full choke with double bead so I could aim. I bought the 20 gauge Winchester 1200 Modified choke for less recoil and to lend out. Turns out it was enough lighter it didn't have much less recoil. It was traded along with a Fox Model B in 16 Gauge straight up for the Sterlingworth. I'm real happy about that trade. I haven't used the 20 gauge in years. I still have the S&W. It's a 3" Goose Gun and I took my first turkey with it a couple of years ago. That and many squirrels.
I suspect the first thing we will do with the instructor is figure out what fits me. I don't know if he has access to Try guns. Reality is that the Fox seems to fit me well. At least it goes to eye level. I'll have to let the instructor see if it really fits me. I do know that I tend to roll it to the left.
I think I'll start another thread in the shotgun section when I start lessons and chronicle what happens. Good or bad. I think I'll title it 'One Box One Bird My Journey to Better Shot gunning'. I have a minor surgery on Thursday, so that won't be for a couple of weeks.
I believe it is somewhat customary to apply a wax to this type of finish (shellac). Is that correct. Is that unusual? If normal (or at least not unusual) does any one have a preference? I have Renaissance Wax and the standard Johnson Wax. Any preference? Any way I can screw that up?
Also, I had mentioned I take really poor photographs. The finished product looks better than my photos portray. What I did notice is that black walnut can be pretty plain. I'm still happy with the end result.
Thanks all for the support and help.
I have used paste wax on all my guns for many years. Many people praise the Renaissance Wax but I started with Johnson's and it works so well that I have never seen a need to try the other.
Johnm1, Thank you for sharing that restoration story with us. Your photos and text are professional-grade. You didn't leave me with unanswered questions. I got to admire some excellent work, and learned some stuff.
Thank you LoneGoose.
I am stuck on doing as little removal as possible. I didn't use the acetone to pull the deepest oil out. I may end up re-doing this depending on how much oil comes back to the surface. Fortunately it will be easier if it has to be redone.
I ended up using the Johnson Paste Wax on the wood and Renaissance Wax on the metal. I wish I could take good pictures because it turned out great. Almost too nice to shoot. Nah, it will get shot.
How the stock fits you is important, if too long you shoot low, it too short you shoot high. There is an adjustable butt pad called a Morgan pad that you can adjust for drop and side to side. It may help get you on target a little better.
The Jones recoil plate is better than the Morgan pad in that it adjusts up down side to side (Which Morgans do not, BTW) and rotationally out to 22 degrees. The SPS https://stockpositioning.com/ systems cover all possible adjustments except possibly pitch, which is usually ground into the pad or cut from the stock if needed. Some even have recoil reduction in them.
I’m about to find out when my second surgery is. If I can do the lessons in between I’ll do that. I really need someone who knows what they are doing to help me with the fit issue. Along with everything else.
Thanks and I’ll look at The adjustable pads.
jaguarxk120 - I'm beginning to regret not using the acetone wash already. Although it is too soon to see darkening from the lower oils I suspect the oil left in the wood will make its way to the surface fairly quick. I just have this phobia about doing too much on old firearms. And it may have cost me another round of work. Fortunately it won't be as much of a project to do it again from where the stock stands right now. In the end, I may like a darker finish on this particular firearm. The gun is 95 years old.
There won't be a second surgical procedure for now. A simple in office procedure that has no recovery time. So I'm going to make arrangement for the local lessons. I'll start a new thread in the shotgun section on that process.
Thanks again for everybody's help. I think it turned out great. Maybe I can find someone who can take better pictures. The phone just doesn't cut it.
Thznks Entropy, the Jones pad is what I was thinking of.
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