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Fire Mission: Kroger Grocery, anti gun AND racist

Discussion in 'Activism' started by TexasRifleman, Feb 26, 2009.

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  1. TexasRifleman

    TexasRifleman Moderator Emeritus

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    Kroger is sponsoring a gun buy back in Dallas. That's bad enough, but they have specifically targeted hispanic and black audiences for this through co-sponsorship with Univision television and a local hip-hop radio station.

    Gun control has always been racist, that's nothing new, but this pretty insulting in my opinion.

    Please let Kroger know that your business with them is finished. If you are black or hispanic you should be especially outraged that they are targeting these communities specifically.

    http://cityhallblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2009/02/have-gun-will-receive-gift-car.html

    Contact info for Kroger:

    1-866-221-4141

    1014 Vine Street
    Cincinnati, Ohio 45202-1100


    I am looking for more detailed contact info now, I'll post it when I get it.


    Other sponsors of this event are:

    KBFB-FM 97.9 "The Beat," and KSOC-FM 94.5, One-Dallas, Univision 23, Schepps Dairy and Better Dallas Safer Dallas.

    Schepps Dairy
    3114 S Haskell Ave, Dallas, TX 75223
    Ph: (214) 824-8163

    The Beat Radio:
    thebeat@979thebeat.com
    (972) 331.5400

    Univision 23
    This website is all spanish so I am still looking for contact info, I can't read spanish.
     
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  2. gallo

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    They are only offering a $50 gift card for an operational gun. I'm not sure how many people are willing to do this trade. I may just go by reunion arena and offer $50 cash to any who wants to trade.

    I'll drop a note in the customer feedback box of my local kroger.
     
  3. Burl

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    Good catch....that's enough for me to switch to Albertsons. I also had the thought that maybe I should go to the parking lot and see what I can get for $50.
     
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    Heaven forbid a company stand up for something they beleave in... Don't like it, vote with your wallet.


    PS, thats not being racist... It just happends that the people that are most likly to be crimals are in that area are black and hispanic. Once again, heaven forbid you not target the demographic you want to reach...
     
  6. lamebums

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    I'm waiting for the day Kroger's tries this in Northern Kentucky (right across the river from Cincinnati, 5 minutes from downtown.)

    I'll be standing outside with envelopes with $65 cash each, in hand, ready to buy anything I consider worth my while.

    With regards to Kroger's, I don't shop much there because of their union (I've had a bad run-in with the UFCW) unless I can't justify the extra time and gas to drive to Wal-Mart.
     
  7. 4thPointOfContact

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    Must be a local thing. Kroger is a Corporate Sponsor for GeorgiaPacking.Org.
     
  8. MudPuppy

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    I think that's sort of the point, along with actually letting them know that we are voting with our wallet and spreading to word to prevent future political activism that we believe directly impact our rights.

    I may be misunderstanding your intentions and purpose of that post, but i get the impression you'd think we're out of line for alerting our fellow gun owners and organizing to voice our concern? I guess when politicians vote antigun we should just hush up and only vote about it quietly in the polling booth too?

    Can't win I guess, either we dont get involved and we're lazy and get want we deserve or we try and organize to let the masses know they're out of line and our own tell us to hush and just shop somewhere else as the antigun activism grows. I don't get it...
     
  9. Hush

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    $66, $66, Do I hear $66? Going once, going twice? Sold to the gentleman in the do-rag with the tec-9. You gotta love the buybacks in my neck of the woods...Boston. I swear Yankees show up with Blunderbuss from their mantle and get $50 bucks. Target was the sponsor here, and yes there was a fair share of muskets turned in. I kid you not. I remember working at the local PD as a teen and when some poor sap had his guns confiscated as a result of a 209a (restraining order) the gun expert Sgt would walk down the line saying, "mine, mine, mine" He was a great guy a and a true connesouir.....the winchesters would get returned and the Parkers would dissapear....lost during processing.
     
  10. DHJenkins

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    So it would be OK if they advertised on the local light-FM station as well?

    If they want to pay $50 a piece to get a bunch of illegal guns off the street, good.

    It's not like any legal gun owners are being forced to take part.
     
  11. jasper275

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    It really frustrates me with these inane posts right out of the anti-gunner handbook. Are some of you moles?
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    DJJenkins: So it would be OK if they advertised on the local light-FM station as well?

    If they want to pay $50 a piece to get a bunch of illegal guns off the street, good.

    It's not like any legal gun owners are being forced to take part.
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    Current definition of racist is any time there is a statistical anomaly or action that shows racial difference. Targeting a hip-hop station is racist.

    The $50 won't buy illegal guns, but heirlooms that will probably be misappropriated or destroyed.

    No one forced to participate, but it's known that a vulnerable segment of the population (usually elderly) will be tricked into parting with valuable guns for $50. :banghead:
     
  12. DocBoCook

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    I wrote them on their site. Told them to stick to groceries and leave social policy alone.
     
  13. Schutzen

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    I agree with 4thPointOfContact, this is probably a local or regional manager's "great idea". My local Kroger has been very supportive of 4-H Shooting Sports.
     
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    Schutzen, that's why I put the stores ZIP code on there, so they would know which store I was talking about
     
  15. TexasRifleman

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    What exactly do you think the purpose of contacting them is?

    They can stand up for what they believe in, and so can we.

    Why does this confuse you?

    You need to read up on how gun buy backs work, how successful they have been in the past, and what types of guns show up here.

    You're pretty much 100% wrong. These things almost never turn up illegal guns. People are not going to take an illegal gun to the police. Shockingly enough, that's a crime.
    This gun buy back offers no "amnesty".

    If you own a stolen gun would YOU turn it into the police with a copy of your ID?

    Of course not .

    So, tell me again how this is going to get illegal guns off the street?

    All these gun buybacks do is disarm low income and low education people in areas where they need to be able to protect themselves.

    Specifically trying to disarm Blacks and Hispanics is racist, as most gun control measures have historically been.
     
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    I've been sitting here thinking about what a few of you said, sitting in the parking lot with money before they sell them back. I know it would vary state to state, but in general this wouldn't be considered illegal would it? :evil:
     
  17. TexasRifleman

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    Well, the gun buy back in this case is being held on property owned by the City of Dallas.

    So, they might get you for doing business without a permit or some crap like that, but no gun laws would be broken.
     
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    Racist? Um, no. This is not a racist program. If you have to fabricate such an angle in order to try to get your piont across, then maybe your point isn't that good.
     
  19. TexasRifleman

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    Tell me. If the NRA targeted a membership drive aimed at only Blacks what do you think would happen?

    Here you have a city government, in cooperation with a private company, targeting specific areas for this, based on race.

    There is gun crime in the high income parts of Dallas too, why are they not targeted?

    Because $50 isn't much money, and no one in the higher income areas (which happen to be mostly white) would sell a gun for 50 bucks.

    They are targeting an area with lower income and lower education specifically.

    If the City decided to put up street cameras in this part of town but not the "white" parts of town what do you think would happen?

    Why is this any different?

    This area was not chosen because of it's crime rate, it was chosen because of who lives there. How do you get more race based than that?
     
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  20. Double Naught Spy

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    Okay, just how do you know that the area was selected because of race?

    What is the racial makeup of the Reunion Arena area? The closest housing to Reunion Arena is some very expensive housing. Those are some wealthy people that live around that area. Are you telling me that they have chosen affluent non-whites as their target audience? Maybe they hope to draw in a lot of folks from the Hyatt Regency Hotel next door?

    Let me help you. The zip code is 75207. Here are the demographics for that zip code...
    White 4,386
    Black or African American 3,055
    American Indian and Alaska Native 81
    Asian 7
    Native Hawaiian and Other Pacific Islander 6
    Some other race 220
    Two or more races 361
    Hispanic or Latino (of any race) 1,456

    In checking the zip codes around Reunion Arena, it appears that each is dominated by whites. Interesting.

    You claim that this gun buy is racist and then note that the buyback would not work in more affluent areas. So by your own admission, you are saying this is an economic issue, not a racial issue. You are inferring it is a racial issue because of the buyback location. If that is the case, then by golly you are right. They are trying to take guns from white people as the area is dominated by whites!

    What harm is being done to the people who opt to trade in their firearms? Or maybe you feel they are getting some benefit the whites aren't getting? Do you feel left out by not being included?

    Is every business that advertises primarily on hispanic or hip-hop stations necessarily racist?

    Given that the hispanic and hip-hop station are also sponsors of the event, hispanics catering to hispanics and hip-hop folks catering to hip-hop folks, then is this racist?

    Being local to DFW, I noticed that the buyback has been on every TV station and the news of several AM and FM stations. So the coverage goes well beyond just the sponsors. Racist?

    Since you are playing the racism card, then explain the harm that is being done by offering to buy guns at Reunion Arena.
     
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    I do have a Davis 22 mag derringer I wouldn't mind getting 50 bucks for. But I would refuse to sell it to a stupid "buy back" program just on principal.
     
  22. TexasRifleman

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    LOL, I live here, I know exactly why that area was targeted.

    The zip code of Reunion arena has nothing to do with it. Reunion is the closest city owned publicly usable property for this kind of thing and the bus lines all go there.

    The target for this is Oak Cliff and you can't pretend otherwise. The 2 radio stations used to advertise this show who the target audience is. This is targeted at low income residents of the part of Dallas that the mayor and others want to pretend doesn't exist; that area just across the street from Reunion, south of I30.

    The other sponsor, Schepps Dairy, is right in the middle of Oak Cliff.

    No doubt they believe they are "helping their community" but the reality is all these things do is disarm unknowing citizens. Since there is no amnesty offered, and ID's must be shown at the gun buy back, there is no chance that "illegal guns" will appear here.
     
  23. Travis Bickle

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    Probably not many. You can get more than that at at any pawn shop for most guns.
     
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    it's racist, no its not, its racist, no its not, lol....I dont know if it is racist, but if they are offering 50 bucks for the buy back. seems to me it is POORIST.. (yes I made that up) I am not one to say who is or isnt going to listen to a hip-hop station, I have laughed till I cried at some of the whitest of the white trying to rap, but I do smell a bit of bs in this situation.. just dont quite know the flavor.
     
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    One issue I've not seen mentioned is or questioned is who initiated the program.

    Quoted from initial link:

    Event sponsors include Dallas Police, KBFB-FM 97.9 "The Beat," and KSOC-FM 94.5, One-Dallas, Univision 23, Schepps Dairy and Better Dallas Safer Dallas.

    Dallas is not using public money to purchase the gift cards, which Kroger is providing at a 30 percent discount to event sponsors, Dallas spokesman Frank Librio said.

    End Quote.

    Did a local neighborhood civic program, like "Dallas Safer Dallas" come up with the idea and sought sponsors to pay for the program? Did they go to the local radio stations and ask for sponsorship and then sought out a big name sponsor? Maybe Kroger stepped up because they thought it was a good civic program and volunteered to offer a reward, ie buy-back.

    I think there is a good possibility here that they are being unfairly targeted. I don't know it for a fact, just a feeling based on the way these things often work.

    I'm sorry, but the original poster, seems to be looking for an opportunity to wave the racist flag. I don't view this as a valid case for that.

    Ralph
     
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