Fire 'rounds' with only primer?

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  1. ghh3rd

    ghh3rd Member

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    If I prime a handful of 38 spcl brass, should it be allright to fire them without powder or bullet?

    I am teaching my youngest son to shoot, and am having him dry fire (with supervision) for practice. I thought I'd let him try a few that make a little noise.

    Thanks,

    Randy
     
  2. indoorsoccerfrea

    indoorsoccerfrea Member

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    not a problem
     
  3. GRIZ22

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    You may have a problem with the primer backing out as there is no pressure (like from a fired round) pushing the base of the brass against the recoil shield which may tie up your revolver.

    Nothing dangerous though.
     
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    It propably will tie up your revolver, but drilling the flashhole bigger will help. Just remember not to use that brass again with real loads.
     
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    I have been able to do this with Winchester brass and CCI 500 or WSP, but some brass/ primer combos are loose and will likely back out to far.
     
  6. Jenrick

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    I agree on drilling the primer pocket out, I've locked my revolvers up a couple of times shooting wax bullets. I finally just broke down and drilled them almost all the way out. I don't remember the bit size, but I drilled as much of the pocket out as I could and still get function and the primer to stay in. Hadn't had problems since. As noted mark the casings some how, I recommend notching the case rims.

    You might have your son start out with wax bullets. Little bit of noise, puff of smoke, and something going downrange.

    -Jenrick
     
  7. The Bushmaster

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    More then likely if you are using standard primers it will not be a problem.
     
  8. Ben Shepherd

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    Only one other minor drawback- You're gun will get kinda sooty. Wipes right out/off though.
     
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    Bill Jordan, amongst other things, was a man who wrote 'No second Place Winner'.

    Its a good read.

    Mr Jordan used wax bullets. Brass primer pockets were reamed. This was prior to Speer offering their plastic 'brass' and 'bullet'. Dunno if Speer still has that product.

    He also strongly recommended that brass so altered be strictly segegrated.

    I suspect unintend disassembly could occur if a case full of 2400 was lit off in a case with larger primer pocket, under a 158 SWC.

    Dunno. But I'd be careful with brass so altered. Not just for yourself, but folks do pick up 'range brass'.

    Doubtful if they/we would think of measuring primer flash hole diameter.

    salty
     
  10. Black Dime

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    You can buy rubber "push in the case" bullets. They bounce so be careful.

    Hang a paper target and about two feet behind the target, hang a towel. Don't bind the bottom of the towel.

    I would advise you to get some snap caps and let him practice dryfiring. When he can drop the hammer without moving the barrel (much), graduate to the primer only stage. Get good ear muffs. Sound will develop a flinch also.

    If you are using a double action, let him cock it for each snap cap and later primers.
     
  11. rcmodel

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    Most of the new lead-free Range-Clean type ammo comes with near 1/8" flash holes already.

    It can be reloaded normally, with normal load data.

    Drilling 1/8" is plenty big enough to prevent primer set-back with no bullet, or wax bullets.

    rc
     
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