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Discussion in 'Shooting Gear and Storage' started by ohihunter2014, Oct 28, 2019.

  1. ohihunter2014

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    My living situation maybe changing and it will involve two young teens (13-15yo) that do not need to be around firearms. If this move happens I need to figure out what to do with powder, primers, live ammo, handguns and long guns. I currently keep long guns in a wood/glass cabinet and handguns are stored in the bottom drawer that takes a skeleton key and the glass door takes a skeleton key. I have been debating on taking the wood cabinet if I move and buying trigger locks or cable locks for everything and hide the ammo or lock it elsewhere so no one takes ammo to school or shows friends.

    My other thought is buy a small safe or maybe a stack on safe. I am not sure I need an actual fire safe as most my stuff is cheap beater guns. I don't like storing powder and primers in an area with live ammo or together though.

    I would like recommendations on a small safe. I have 4 handguns and 9 long guns. I would say 4lbs of powder and a couple k of primers and maybe 1k rounds of ammo.
     
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    I have 2 safes (RSCs) now-one for guns, the other for ammunition. The ammo safe is one of the Winchester small 12 gun jobs, that I got on Black Friday years ago at Tractor Supply for $275. Check those out when the sales start.
     
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  3. Meeks36

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    Stack on safes are ok. Pretty easy to pry open. You can get a cheap fire safe for 200 and some change in sale. I keep my ammo in 50 Cal ammo cans. With a bike lock. Keeps little ones from opening them. Also have a bike lock around my safe. Put a round lag bolt in the back. With two locks around it. IMG_20191027_212854.jpg IMG_20191027_213353.jpg
     
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    If I go the fire safe route do I need to buy some sort of dehumidifier?
     
  5. bassjam

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    Your solution with your current cabinet and cable locks would work for what you're trying to do. If you want to get something else, my first "safe" was a stamped steel Homak 8 gun safe, I only had it while I lived with my parents to keep my 4 younger siblings out of my guns. If you don't care about the finishes, I can tell you you can cram 9 long guns in there, 2 with scopes, and still have room on top for 4 full sized handguns. 10 years after I bought it I sold it for more than I paid for it. Speaking of which, don't discount Craigslist or Armslist, this kind of stuff can often be found pretty cheap used.

    https://www.homedepot.com/p/Homak-Security-8-Gun-Black-Steel-Security-Cabinet-HS30103660/202920099

    Looks like this one might also keep your ammo.

    https://www.homedepot.com/p/Homak-S...r-Steel-Security-Cabinet-HS30136028/202920105

    Otherwise the suggestion to use 50 cal ammo cans is a good one. Harbor Freight has a sale on them right now and there's ways to add the locking hardware.
     
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    Teens that should not be around firearms. Why? If it's trouble with the law, another tack must be taken.
    Gunpowder, primers, and ammo in a safe is a bomb.
    Perhaps a proper secure door and frame, along with a gun safe would suit your needs.
     
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    Depends on its location. Damp as in a basement or shed yes, dry as in a lived in house I wouldn’t think so.

    Primers and powders are best stored in a non tight drawer or wooden box. Mine sit on a shelf in a large closet. Those items should never be in a safe.
     
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    Depends on the conditions they're stored in. I'm in southwest Ohio in the humid Ohio River valley. My parent's had a thing against air conditioning so my guns were kept in that Homak storage cabinet in my hot room. I just kept them oiled and they were fine. Well, there was a few times I put my 870 Express away after using it without wiping it down and surface rust would show up soon on it's parkerized finish, but for as bad as that gun is about rusting it's also just as easy to wipe any corrosion off and make it look good as new.

    Now I've got a more secure "safe", and my guns are kept in a low humidity basement. A Golden Rod has kept them rust free for 7 years now.
     
  9. ohihunter2014

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    They have a lot of anger issues. No LE issues just anger.

    I am looking for something to store the powder, primers and ammo separately and not in the safe.
     
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    I am sorry that you are in such a position. I have first hand knowledge of such issues, though not in my home.
    Still striving for a positive outcome.
    Powder cabinets are available for safe storage. Not impossible, but difficult to breach. The gun safe is most important, and one of those bedside jobs so you have protection.
     
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    A wooden cabinet is not going to keep a teenager out for long. Buy a real safe to put your guns and ammo in.

    Keep in mind that many electronic safes have locks that can be easily opened by someone who has watched a 2 minute youtube video.

    Some people have used sturdy tool boxes, but again, youtube is your friend when it comes to selecting a lock that can't be easily opened by someone educated on youtube.
     
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    I'd store all my guns in a safe. If you store them in a locking cabinet, and the kids get to them - you're still gonna be in legal trouble. Trigger locks and even cable locks won't keep the guns from being taken outside the home - again, you could be in serious legal trouble. I keep all my guns in a metal safe with a combination lock. I have a good supply of ammo. I keep most of it in two large metal work boxes I bought at Home Depot. Each box is secured with two armory padlocks. Either of my boxes is too heavy for two people to carry away. In today's legal environment, its much better to be safe than sorry.
     
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    Consider getting a chest style steel job box from a big box store like Lowe’s or Home Depot. They are designed for high security against theft and use two padlocks. To really add to the security use two padlocks that each take a different key. Even if someone was to get the key for one padlock they will still be defeated by the other padlock.

    There should be plenty of room to lay your guns flat along with storing your handguns and other valuables.
     
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    Good idea.
     
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    I like the Stack-On boxes, but I agree they're not secure against someone who would be willing to destroy it to break in. My own children know I would be happy to let them touch and shoot everything in the box, so they have no reason to rip it open. If I had a concern about someone else that might do that, I would think about storing it at a storage rental or somewhere that's out of sight and out of mind. I'd just keep my EDC.

    I also like the Rigid job box for storage. It might be a little more secure than the Stack-On, but not enough to stop a determined person with power tool-using skills or the ability to exert a lot of force with leverage. It seems like they would at least be reasonable security for ammunition, powder, and primers.

    Traditional gypsum-lined steel RSC's are heavy and very difficult to move. I don't have any confidence in the fire protection of the low cost ones, and the high-cost ones would incur a greater cost to me in a fire than just letting the guns burn.

    To really secure the weapons would take at least a TL15 rated safe. In my mind that would be entry-level security. That's why, for seldom-used or seasonally-used long guns, I'd look at storing them off-site.
     
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    Long story short I am having family issues with a psyco brother and may be moving. I cant leave the firearms at my mothers house because he will have access or she will give him access to them and the only other buddy who I trust doesn't have room as he already has two 20/25 gun safes full and the other buddy just slings his stuff in a corner of the basement or garage. The kids in question aren't strong or smart enough to use powder tools or pry into anything but I think if something was left out in a closet or such they would get into them. I am also playing with the idea of storing in cases in the attic but the humidity worries me. One buddy said pull the bolts on the guns and strip handguns and lock.
     
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    They might not be smart enough but what their friends? Do not underestimate the ability of teenagers especially when they are bored.
     
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    You don’t have to be smart to get into trouble, that’s proven everyday.

    You must also realize kids have nothing to do all day except find what you have hidden.

    Are they smart enough to use google? If so you might google “break into gun safe” or “in home hiding places” and read/watch the videos of results and avoid them. ;)

    There are ways to make various firearms in operable where some folks might have a difficult time making them functional again.
     
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    Im assuming from the way you describe the problem that this will be a temporary situation? Take the guns to a pawn shop and pawn them for a nominal amount, say $50. They will be safely stored, insured, and you will only have to pay a 25% monthly maintainance fee to maintain the loan, and another 25% to pick them up.

    I have used this method when going out of town, works great.

    Might have to sell the ammo, powder, and primers and just buy new if you are worried about them building IEDs with them.
     
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    Possibly long term. My girlfriend has offered me to move in with her and her son (13yo). She kind of needs the help financially and I have to get away from my brother. Her son struggles with anger issues due to how his father treats him. She has a daughter too (same age) who chose to stay with her father and she visits. Her daughter made a comment last weekend when I asked the boy if he was interested in shooting my crossbow if she could shoot someone with it or point it at someone. I made the decision right then that any firearm or weapon would stay locked in my truck when I am visiting. GF found out the other day the son tried choking out a kid down the street because he got beat in a video game. A floor safe is most likely my only solution or taking the guns apart and hiding the bolts and barrels in the attic or something until a black Friday deal appears.
     
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    Don't forget the quick access safe for your home defense handgun after you secure the rest of your guns. Think twice before buying any safe with an inexpensive (non UL rated) electronic lock. Odds are that's what will give you problems over time.

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    I purchased a safe at an estate auction for $100, you might look around and get lucky. My inside the house ammo I have in a locking filing cabinet
     
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    If you do move with those situations, separating bolts and/or semi-auto slides from the other parts for firearms that you do not need access to in an emergency is not a bad idea regardless of what storage unit that you use. The cheaper solutions demand defense in depth but will make use of the firearms in an emergency condition difficult.

    For example, if you do go with a storage cabinet. It is probably just as advisable to buy one of those heavy office supply cabinets rather than the Homak/stackon chinese steel. Used office furniture stores often have these for pretty cheap and these were often made of quite decent steel--scarred up ones can be had for quite cheap and rustoleum does not cost much to touch up. If you have to, you can make strap steel reinforcement to bar opening doors and use a high quality padlock. Office supply cabinets also do not scream gun. You can also install a locking gun rack inside of these if you want even more protection or if the bolt is removed, thread a poly coated security cable through the actions and then secure these via a padlock/combo lock.

    Another out of the box solution is to use an old refrigerator and remove the drawers, compressor if you wish, etc. Again these are of better quality steel than most firearm storage cabinets and actually give a measure of fire protection that is probably better than the cheap drywall safes. Freezer units often have locks as well and a chest type is pretty cheap. You can also do the strap reinforcement technique for opening and closing. Given that these are naturally sealed, a goldenrod type dehumidifier can allow you to use these outdoors for storage if you must.

    For the rifle bolts, handguns, etc. that you want to preserve whole or have access to an in emergency, get a good quality safe and bolt it down. Sometimes locksmiths acquire used ones of quite good steel for cheap and resell them as do some safe sellers. Estates sales as rdntrkr mentions above are another possibility but will require some time.
     
  25. John Joseph

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    I wouldn't move into that situation if I didn't have to.
    Following whatever legal requirements you've got to take are only minimums and might get you off the hook with the PD/DA/CPS but are not likely to prevent a tragedy because the politicians and administrators who write laws and set policy are mostly all morons.
    Unless a special needs family member required me to care for them, I'd stay put.
     
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