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Firearms or Weapons!

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by drj3828, Dec 27, 2006.

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  1. drj3828

    drj3828 Member

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    Most of us here on the High Road most likely have Firearms, Now if you are in Military or Law Enforcement you carry weapons. This subject realy needs to be addressed when out in public and talking about guns in general. As a certified Four H rifle instructor we where taught that the rifles are rifles not weapons. We must practice this because in the Anti-gun world the word Weapon is very Bad, but when you say rifle or handgun they usualy don't panic.
    My nephew who is a former Marine and his father who is a retiered Air Force officer does the same thing. So I have got onto them while there over the Holidays. They are both trying to correct themselfs from saying weapon.
    Just remember a weapon is used for defense or offense, A rifle or hand gun is used for hunting or sporting purposes.

    DRJ
     
  2. El Tejon

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    My firearms are weapons to be used against humans just as the Founding Fathers intended.:)

    I have absolutely no interest in "sporting purposes."
     
  3. crazed_ss

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    I refer to guns as weapons.. because that's what they are (at least the ones I own) .. Also, it may be a side effect of military training. We always referred to M-16's as "weapons" .. never gun or firearm.
     
  4. Monkeybear

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    Anything can be a weapon; a firearm is a specific type of weapon.
     
  5. shaggycat

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    Although I often say firearm out of habit, by your definition I own weapons. I shoot guns with the intention of developing a skill that can be used to protect myself or my family. That means my guns are for shooting at people, if, heaven forbid, I must.

    The day that we accept that guns are only for sporting purposes is a sad day indeed. That mindset is one of the reasons Britain has the laws it does.
     
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    I guess in the purely technical sense...Until it's used AS a weapon, it's a firearm. i.e. A Louisville Slugger is a baseball bat until ya swing it at somebody.
     
  7. grizz5675

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    firearm term

    you dont want to call your firearm a weapon,if you had to defend yourself and shoot someone ,you could end up in court. It would be better for your case if you said firearm or even gun which implies target shooting or hunting.The term weapon would imply ,use to kill.
     
  8. entropy

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    As a certified 4-H rifle instructor and former military armorer, I use rifle, pistol , or shotgun accordingly when talking about them at a 4-H function, and whichever term I choose when I am not. I also make it clear these terms are of 4-H's choosing, not mine. All you semi-auto pistol aficianados will note that I used the term 'pistol' correctly to denote both semi-auto and revolving pistols, as well as single shot and others. The semi-auto crowd seems to have taken over the term 'pistol' to mean only semi-automatic pistols, when in fact, it includes all non-shoulder fired firearms.

    <rectracts from rant mode>

    FWIW, I mostly noted the use of the word weapon in the Army by those who didn't want to stop and think about which type it was, or in reference to several types at once, not wanting to catagorize them.
     
  9. dfaugh

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    Because I needed a new hunting license (hadn't hunted in afew years), soulcn;t find an old licence I had to go through the "Hunter Safety Class" that's now required. Got off on the wrong foot, with the instructor, right away, when called a rifle a "weapon". It went downhill from there. (but I passed the test 100%---so THERE!)
     
  10. Henry Bowman

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    Exacly my position as well.
     
  11. kid_couteau

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    I read this somewhere once

    The gun, the knife, the sword are all just tools

    I AM THE WEAPON

    Makes sense to me
    Kid
     
  12. Zero_DgZ

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    Plus one million to El Tejon.

    I have guns for two purposes:

    1. Shooting targets, including fun targets that self destruct in an amusing manner, such as tannerite, cans of stale beer, jugs of water...
    2. Shooting two legged critters that deserve to be shot, such as JBT's, out-of-hand government officials, and criminals.

    I guess that makes me a "cold blooded killer" and a "ticking time bomb waiting to go off." Sorry, the second amendment exists for a reason. It has nothing to do with shooting Bambi, and I really have no interest in that sort of thing. Could I, in a survival situation? Sure. But it's less work and probably cheaper to buy pre-killed Bambi from the store when I am able.

    If shooting Bambi is your thing I support you all the way. But don't confuse that with my fun of shooting tannerite and cans of stale beer, and don't confuse that with my right to shoot JBT's and criminals.
     
  13. Glockfan.45

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    Not really correct being that the Louisville Slugger was intended to thump baseballs not skulls. To be purely technical a baseball bat would be an improvised weapon. Firearm is more P.C/puts a positive spin on it to the ignorant, weapon however is indeed the true nature of the beast. Ah word games are fun are they not?
     
  14. Eleven Mike

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    An arm is a weapon, so it really makes little difference. "Gun" is pretty neutral, right? Why not say "gun"? Unless you've been brainwashed by military semantic nonsense. Besides, killing an animal involves a weapon, just as much as killing a human being.


    Merriam-Webster

     
  15. Waywatcher

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    He's got it. A pistol/rifle/shotgun is both a firearm and a weapon; the terms are not mutually exclusive.
     
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    "This is my rifle, this is my gun..." :p

    You make an interesting point. I never refer to them as weapons, as I see them as tools. Some help propel a hunk of metal at a high speed, some are sharp to aid in slicing through materials, etc. I do refer to them as guns, rifles, pistols, or firearms. I decide whether to use them as weapons.
     
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    By that logic, Iran could develop nuclear bombs that are not "weapons" because they haven't blown anyone up with them yet. That would mean the hot off the lines m4 issued to a soldier in peacetime isn't a weapon, even if it goes on patrol in a combat zone because it hasn't shot at anyone.
     
  18. nplant

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    Not to fuel any fires, but guns were designed as weapons. They weren't designed to shine shoes, or wash dishes, or build other tools - they were made with the express and explicit purpose of hurling a projectile much faster than humans are capable of with just about any other tool.

    That said, there is absolutely nothing wrong with the idea that a gun is a tool. It's a specific tool, and an important one, but it's still just a tool. It has no will of its own, and it depends on the operator for instructions (i.e. when to release it's payload).

    For people that already understand this, there should be NO qualms referring to it as a weapon. In fact, I would argue that more people that understand guns and how they work, and why and when we use them (as tools), the safer we'll be because there won't be any BS dancing around the issues. The problem with the semantics usually comes about because an anti has some problem with the reality that there are bad people and weapons in the world, and this means that sometimes bad people use weapons against the rest of us.

    For me, I generally refer to guns as specifically as I can (as to type) when talking to people that I don't know, or know they are scared or uneasy with them. For example, I will say, "Let's go to the range and shoot my handgun/rifle/shotgun" instead of "Let's go to the range and shoot my firearm/weapon." As they get comfortable, then I begin to go into the whole self-defense issue, and the Second Ammendment. In my experience, I've had, precisely, one person decide that they didn't want to shoot again, out of nearly a hundred that I've personally introduced to shooting over the years.
     
  19. orygunmike

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    The NRA's Stance

    When I went through training to become a certified NRA instructor....the training counselor was a real stickler for NOT using the term "weapon". If at anytime during the course you used the word "weapon", a rubber band was placed around your wrist.

    Being raised by a former marine (dad)...I had a hard time not using the term 'weapon' and ended up having the most rubber bands around my wrist.

    When I teach new shooters, I make every effort to use any term (firearm, gun, pistol, etc) other than "weapon". I agree that in a class room of students of varying degrees of experiene and backgrounds, or in a casual discussion with folks who may not be 'gun people', avoiding the use "weapon" is proper.
     
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    So, we don't want new shooters to think of their - uh, uh - their guns as weapons? "Don't worry guys, they're just warm and cuddly firearms. They won't hurt you."

    I know I'm exagerating, but I take issue with this. We have got to stop hiding the fact that we are prepared to kill people - yes, KILL PEOPLE - if we must do so to defend ourselves. Unless you really are an extreme pacifist, you probably have at least one gun that you plan on using to KILL PEOPLE if your life is threatened in your home. We're told that using the term "weapon" might be used to show that you really wanted to kill the perp that assaulted you. Well, if that's such a big concern, then don't ever apply for a CCW. If that doesn't show an intent to kill an attacker, what does?
     
  21. GEM

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    The protection of the 2nd Amendment is based on these objects being instruments of lethal force. It was not based on sport or hunting.

    The sporting usage has been the center of gun rights organizations in the UK and Australia and did them no good. It is reasonable to argue that if they are just instruments of sport, that they are too dangerous to be uncontrolled or not strictly limited.

    The purpose of these instruments is to prevent tyranny, protect the nation and yourself (associated loved ones).

    Thus, I don't mind calling them weapons. That's why we have a right to them. They are not primarily tools or instruments of sport. That is a side effect of their existence.

    If you try to hide their purpose, you fool no one except yourself.
     
  22. LeonCarr

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    I usually refer to rifles as rifles, handguns as handguns, and shotguns as shotguns. Sometimes I refer to shotguns and rifles as long guns or long arms. I very seldom ever use the term weapon. As previously mentioned, any thing can be used as a weapon in an emergency, like a coffee table :).

    Just my .02,
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  23. JesseL

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    I've got a couple firearms that would make for pretty poor weapons and were never built to kill anything but paper (I'd hate to be stuck with a heavy barreled single shot Remington 37 in a fight).

    I've also got a couple whose only purpose is to put a severe hurtin' on somebody, should the need arise.

    I subscribe to the philosophy that these objects of metal and wood are tools, my mind is the weapon.
     
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    Weapon or firearm

    Here in Arkansas there is a legal difference: A long gun is considered a firearm and can be carried most anywhere and in a vehicle. A handgun is considered to be a weapon and generally may not be carried without a license.

    So, if you are on a journey in Arkansas and carrying a handgun in your car (exception in law) do remember to answer, if questioned by LEOs, that the handgun is for snakes. If you say "protection" they might reason you may have the intention to use it as a weapon...
     
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    Well now, that looks really good on a public bulletin board.

    :cool:
     
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