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Yeah, whatever happens to all the GOOD shows out there? They
last only two or three seasons and then get axed for "lack of
ratings" when it seems like they still had a really big fan base:

Firefly
Millennium
Dark Angel

Others?
 
Ya'll are bastitches. You finally got me to order the DVDs...$29.95 at deepdiscountdvd.com. Free shipping.

Life is grand, but it is better than grand if you get it at a discount...
 
Couple of nitpicks:

1. Mal says his days of NOT taking Jayne seriously are coming to a middle. :D

2. The show is not restricted to one solar system. The Alliance is spoken of as having created a "unified galaxy."


It is perhaps the best TV show I've ever seen. My wife is as hooked as I am, maybe more.

Supposedly the movie will not be one movie but a trilogy. This gives me hope that we will find out why Inara is on the outs with her guild, and just what Book was before he became a "Shepherd." And of course Kaylee has to kiss Simon (but knowing Kaylee, it won't end at a kiss.) And Mal and Inara have to get together, too, somehow. And we need to know who the evil guys with the blue gloves are and what exactly they are . . . . . and I do believe we may see Niska again.
Maybe even Reavers, although they're almost better as unknown, evil phantoms.
 
No way is it a galaxy-wide show. There are specific distance references in the show giving MILLIONS OF MILES as the distance from one planet to another. That's intra-stellar distance not inter-steller. At most there are a number of very close solar systems involved or more likely "systems" of moons around huge gas giants or small stars. Whedon himself has said he didn't intend to show any FTL travel in the series, and visualized the worlds as being "very close together"--certainly not spread out across part of a galaxy (like Star Trek) or an entire galaxy (like Star Wars). I picture it as a solar system about twice the size of ours with a huge number of planets and moons.

However you visualize it, one of the key points of "Firefly" is that it's lower-tech than most sicence fiction. There are no replicators or magic deus ex machina boxes to fix all problems, and either no FTL travel or VERY RARE FTL travel.

http://www.fireflywiki.org/Firefly/FireflyUniverse


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I believe we do get to see some Reavers in the movie. There's one or two in the trailers. Judging from the existing episodes, my guess is Whedon was going to introduce them in the flesh at the end of the first full season. They're a fascinating idea for the monster/enemy/alien. Similar to the worst of the outlaws from Western mythology.
 
Sindawe: "I guess I'm just the odd man out on this. Oh well, in the end, Crackers Don't Matter"

As a show, "Firefly" never worked for me either. I don't know whether it was because Fox aired the episodes out of order or because I'm not a fan of Joss Whedon's work. His characters and dialogue always seem too contrived.

I did not like how Whedon made almost every character some sort of a walking contradiction. That's nothing more than a cheap trick to make the characters appear to have more depth than they do. Okay, so we have a butch mercenary with a girl's name, a captain who has anything but command presence, a grease monkey female engineer who loves "girly" things, and a philosophical sage prostitute. Compare that with the characters from a movie like “Crash” where the characters have internal contradictions but their contradictions come out of how they deal with conflict / pressure.

Further, Whedon’s dialogue is nothing more than a writer mugging for his audience. “If someone tries to kill you, you try to kill them back...” is a bad line unless it’s in a sitcom. Unfortunately, there is a lot of this kind of humor now where the writer knows he cannot come up with something witty or compelling so instead of trying he simply parodies what the line should be. That’s not being clever, that’s being lazy. Since audiences are not familiar with this approach, they think it’s newer and better. It’s not. It’s slacker humor from a writer who is making light of his inability to construct the proper line.

However, those who enjoy that kind of thing, are about to get two more hours of it on the big screen. I have to agree, Crackers Don’t Matter.
 
....and the _Serenity_ sequels. There will be sequels.

Hey, ya don't like it, don't watch it. So what if it is overanalyzed scifi schlock. It's FUN. It doesn't take itself seriously (GRRRR! ARGH! and a paper cutout for a trademark?). That alone is a cosmic improvement over some longer- running self absorbed cultish scifi series I could mention (Tweep! Tweep! Space... the final frontier...)

Horses AND spaceships- what's not to like?

lpl/nc
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http://www.scifi.com/scifiwire2005/index.php?id=32468

12:00 AM, 16-SEPTEMBER-05
Serenity Cast Signed For Sequels

Most of the cast of the upcoming SF movie Serenity told SCI FI Wire that they have signed on for two more movies if the film version of Joss Whedon's canceled Fox TV series Firefly is a hit. They include Adam Baldwin, Summer Glau, Sean Maher, Jewel Staite, Gina Torres and Morena Baccarin. Star Nathan Fillion wouldn't say whether he's signed for more films, but writer/director Whedon said that the entire cast would likely return if a sequel is warranted. ...
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I enjoyed watching the dvd set and will go see the movies.

I never liked how star trek and babylon 5 had so much new technology everywhere.

I also like the humor of firefly, jaynestown is just something I never expected and was too funny.

In today's world of lousy television shows and cruddy movies that are just remakes of old stuff, I consider firefly to be pretty original because it is not trying to copy anything else.
 
I was reminded of the show here on THR, and watched the first season in order, and enjoyed it much more. I dont really take any fiction on TV or big screen too seriously, and in that context Firefly is excellent. Even my girlfriend enjoys it and is looking forward to the movie, and she rarely likes any of my tv shows.
 
Breakerdave, I'm not sure why you think Whedon's dialog is an attempt at "parody." The characters use a mixed-up blend of English and Chinese to reflect the future worlds they inhabit. If you think the show isn't original, I'm wondering what OTHER show you've seen that features the smuggling of cows in a spaceship.

If you're a fan of pompous left-wing nonsense like "Crash,"though, "Firefly" is probably not for you. The "Oh wait, we ARE black men with guns--let's go do some crime!" scene was particularly absurd.
 
I love the series--I'd love to see the movies be popular enough that it gets brought back...
 
Yeah, whatever happens to all the GOOD shows out there?

Firefly
Millennium
Dark Angel
You want to know what happened to all of them? Look at what they all have in common.

Yeah, that's right, FOX. Go watch the first sixty episode of the first episode of Family Guy after it was restarted for the complete list of shows FOX has cancelled. Actually, I think it's closer to two minutes.
 
Cosmoline, you've completely missed the point of my post and missed the point of "Crash." My issue with Whedon's dialogue is that it is consciously cutesy. Just like the line you pulled from "Crash," Whedon's dialogue calls attention to itself as something artificial and forced. My mention of the movie "Crash" was not to highlight its dialogue but to highlight the difference in characterization. Character and dialogue are two different things. You can have good characters and bad dialogue.

“Crash” is more of a concept movie than it is a story movie. Everyone is having his or her preconceptions and prejudices challenged. Where Whedon gives a butch mercenary a girl’s name to create the incongruity, the characters in “Crash” actually do things that are incongruent because they have competing drives. Matt Dillon’s cop character is a racist; however, he believes he is a good, professional cop. The two beliefs contradict each other to a degree and create inconsistencies in his actions. He is willing to cross the line when a black lady mouths off and commits “contempt of cop” because he feels entitled to. However, he is willing to risk his life for a black lady in distress because he feels that comes with the badge and maybe his sense of decency seeks redemption. If you cannot see how that creates a much more complex character than simply giving a male character a girl’s name, I cannot help that.

How you concluded that "Crash" is left-wing nonsense is beyond me. Matt Dillon's cop character made a cogent, conservative argument how affirmative action programs further the prejudice, resentment, and inequities that they were formed to address. “Crash” framed the issues and offered them to the audience to discuss. Honestly, go back and think about the movie. The liberal cop ends up a murderer and the conservative, racist one ends up a hero. The black cop who is promoted because of political expediency frames an innocent white officer to climb the career ladder. –That’s hardly an endorsement of left-wing, liberal fantasies.

Regarding your thought that I do not appreciate the originality of “Firefly” and its depiction of smuggling cattle via a spaceship, you’re right. I do not find the thought of spaceships engaged in smuggling activities as particularly original in the Sci-Fi genre. That said, I do not fault Whedon for depicting it. It is merely a fact of life in that show. It’s not a groundbreaking plus. I’m not against the idea of showing a mix of technologies or the realities involved where groups at different economic levels have access to different levels of technology, but I do not think such differences is remotely original in Sci-Fi.

I’m not saying people can’t enjoy the series. My initial reply was simply to second someone else’s who did not enjoy the series. I don’t think an interest in shooting necessarily translates as a love of all things “Firefly.” Yes, you can shoot weapons and be bored by Whedon’s work. It is okay. -I stand by my reasons for not liking the show, but I recognize that you and others find it entertaining.
 
I really didn't see very much of interest in "Crash." The plot seemed contrived and I didn't sympathize with the characters. It struck me as a film trying too hard to make the audience think. Besides I can't stand Matt Dillon.

I really didn't see Jayne's "girl" name as a major aspect of the show. It was a side joke other characters poked him with. But I think I can see some of the basis for your complaints. I think the real problem is you're viewing it as science fiction. It isn't. It's really a western set in space--something along the lines of how "Star Trek" was first pitched to the network. Now that I think on it, that's exaclty why I was drawn to the show. I've lost nearly all interest in science fiction, but I'm starving for more good westerns. There hasn't been a TV western since the 1970's. "Firefly" had all the elements of a western. It even has Confederate veteran anti-heroes, black market cows, wagons and horses. It feels like a western, acts like a western, shoots like a western and even talks like a western, albeit with Chinese curses thrown in.
 
Firefly is one of the best tv programs ever, not just scifi.

I loved the fact there are no aliens in the show, just humans. I don't believe there are any alien beings in our solar system. I think there's other life out there, just none that are coming here, or that we will run into for centuries when we colonize space.

And, when we do colonize space, it is going to be somewhat like the old West, as travelling times between stations, etc will be very great, and there will be lawlessness and individualism.

Maybe that's why the government doesn't really want Bart Rattan succeeding, but that's another story.

I also think Fox may have killed it because it came out after 9/11 and the 'good guys' in the story are against the Feds, and the Feds are not portrayed as nice people at all.

As to the sound affects, Firefly is the only modern scifi show that gets it right. There is NO sound in space, so everything outside the ship in space will be silent.

All of the other scifi programs that have the sounds of the ships, lasers firing, etc are completely inaccurate.

I believe the original Star Trek also did not have the sound in space either, but it's the only other one until Firefly came along.

Oh, and to Flyboy, those other two programs were also some of my favorites.
 
I knew I would like the show when in the first episode (er, first aired episode, at least I think) the captain kicks a prisoner into the intake vent of the ship's engines to make a point to the next prisoner. Oh yeah... I dig the lawless-ness and frontier feeling of the show, looking forward to the movie. Plus I actually like the sarcastic style of humor that was prevalent, maybe I'm simple minded but hey...
 
Mal: If anyone tries to leave their quarters, shoot them.

Zoe: Sir?

Mal: *sigh* Do it politely.

:D

"Everyone alive has a bullet with their name on it, somewhere. The trick is to die of old age before it finds you." ;)
 
I was lucky enough to see the firefly marathon yesterday at the Alamo Drafthouse--Noon to midnight.

It was awesome. Great characters right out of the gate, fantastic dialogue, chemistry. Cool gunfights (yeah, hollywood, but its in OUTER SPACE).

I thought the cowboys in space was pretty heavy-handed, but watching the shows again put in in perspective. Best sci-fi ever. One of the better shows to be cancelled first season.

Somebody dropped the ball on that one--glad it'll be resurrected via serenity.

"Vera"--that's a hoot.
 
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