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Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by Crash_Test_Dhimmi, Jul 25, 2013.

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  1. coloradokevin

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    Okay, so can one of you Facebook experts assist me with trying to deal with these anti-gun activists? I also got a notification (just now) that I was banned from Facebook for the next 12 hours because of a post I made in reference to that "Lana" person's comments.

    Seems rather ridiculous that we're all getting blocked for disagreeing with her. Obviously she's working the system somehow.


    This was my "offending" post, by the way:

    "Lana, with all due respect, please explain how an anti-gun policy will prevent a deranged criminal from walking into a Starbucks store with a gun and the intention to do someone harm? The only thing that such an asinine policy would accomplish would be to disarm the law-abiding citizens who mean you no harm in the first place; the same folks who might actually be able to stop the threat posed by such an evil person.

    Starbucks has made a smart decision by choosing to follow local laws. Being a gun owner doesn't make me (or anyone else) a fanatic by itself, and our patronage of Starbucks is not nearly as insignificant as you suggest (we exist in far larger numbers than you give us credit for)."


    Oh, and this is the post by "Lana" that I responded to, which seems to be the one that is getting all of us blocked:

    QUOTE: "Guns with my coffee?- NO thanks! I will not be patronizing your stores - nor will my family and friends - until I and my children can enjoy our drinks in safety and without having to look at deadly weapons. PS there are plenty of other business that do very well with a gun free policy. Buffalo wild Wings, Home Depot, Applebees, Costco. The loss of only a few fanatical gun owners business won't hurt your bottom line - but losing Moms will "

    I think my post was a lot less demeaning than hers. As such, I reported her post as abusive, and would suggest that some of you do the same.
     
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  2. lobo9er

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    Colorado you could go tit for tat and report her too. I think on this front it maybe better to just post a "thank you" to them. If we all say thanks and not argue not only will they see our numbers but the anti's can go all low road and argue.
     
  3. coloradokevin

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    Lobo,

    The only reason I even made an effort to discuss the issue on the Starbucks page is because I think it's very important for Starbucks to realize that they actually do have a very supportive community among the gun owners in America. Their policy is all I ever ask for: that they allow legal CCW; not that they necessarily advocate for it. As such, I found it tough to not post something that actually speaks to this specific issue.

    Knowing that a number of THR members were blocked by Facebook after posting there yesterday, I took care to ensure that my post was not insulting, demeaning, assaultive, or in any other way in violation of Facebook policy. Yet, I still got blocked... makes me wonder if Facebook is trying to play politics here?

    Anyway, we used another account held by a member of this household to report a couple of Lana's posts. If that's the way these debates need to go for us, then I guess I'd encourage everyone else with a Facebook account to report posts (like hers) that we don't agree with!
     
  4. SharpsDressedMan

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    Yes, someone who frequents Facebook should file a complaint against Lana's comments that they are unduly provocative, and her comments have caused many other Facebook users to be put out. At the very least, they should strike her comments from the discussion, as she was deliberately provoking others. I do not use facebook, or I would. If enough people complain, Facebook management might have to justify why they DON'T take action.
     
  5. lobo9er

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    I did not know about members being blocked, thats to bad. I'm betting facebook leans a bit to the left, so no surprise. I understand too, its tough not to try to show someone some facts and stats. They run on emotion and not facts though. Why do you NEED a GUN? Its all about fear for them, and blame. And if someone "bad" does show up they want someone with a gun to get there as soon as yesterday, when in reality they could have taken steps to be able to keep them selves and or loved ones protected. But I have had that conversation and there response is usually "I am a teacher not a soldier." or some form of that. I smile and nod and talk about the weather because I am not gonna change there mind, nor they won't change mine. But maybe after enough polite interjections over time maybe they will see things a bit different.
     
  6. X-Rap

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    I applaud Starbucks for being neutral on the gun issue but since I can run my Mr Coffee for a week on what one of their cups cost I have only shadowed their door once and that was at the treat of a friend.
    The only thing worse than Starbucks is the fake friend nation of Facebook.
    Sorry
     
  7. DeadMoneyDrew

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    I reported a couple of Lana Koga's more inflammatory posts. Who knows what will happen? Maybe Facebook will give her a warning. Maybe not.

    That Judy Chittim woman is off her rocker, too, so I reported some of her posts as well.
     
  8. PavePusher

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    Bwaaaaahahahahahahahaaaaaa...... Got a 12-hour ban for advocating that an anti (I think it was Ms. Koga) avail herself of Article 5 to Constitutionally enable the changes she wanted.

    Seriously, that is apparently against FB values.

    :uhoh::confused::cuss::rolleyes:
     
  9. coloradokevin

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    Nice work... I normally don't like to go that route, but it's pretty apparent that this is the tactic being used by a couple of the key individuals that you mentioned from that discussion. As such, the only way for us to be heard at all in that debate is to use that tactic ourselves.

    From what I've seen, the gun rights supporters have all been very respectful in their comments. The same can not necessarily be said for our opponents in this political debate, who have often labeled us as "rednecks", "whack-jobs", "nuts", "fanatics", "scared wimps", "psychos", and so on.

    Reality is, nearly 100 Million people own guns in America, and of the 200 million who don't, I'd guess that better than 75% of those folks have no negative opinions regarding guns... in fact, some of the people who don't own guns are still huge advocates of 2nd Amendment rights. I know half a dozen people who have never owned (and probably will never own) a gun, but still very much support our rights.

    Right. Exactly my point. Fortunately, my 12-hour ban just ended on my FB account, so I'll be reporting Ms. Koga in the next couple of minutes myself.

    EDITED TO ADD: I decided to report the post that I quoted earlier tonight. I personally find it offensive that my post is said to be against the terms of service, and figure that if it is, then her post in which she referred to us as "a few fanatical gun owners" must also be. I'm really happy to see that gun owners have responded in force to this campaign against us. I'm also glad to see that our posts have been well-written, on topic, and not insulting. Way to keep it "high road" on this one!
     
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  10. JoePfeiffer

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    The local Starbuck's has been very supportive to groups like the Mesilla valley Linux users group in providing free coffee for our install fests in the past; their sensible approach of not worrying about putting extra constraints on weapons beyond local law should also be appreciated.

    sent using CPIP (see RFC 1149)
     
  11. Fryerpower

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    Where is the report button? Do I have to LIKE Starbucks before I can report a post?

    Jim
     
  12. mljdeckard

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    I gave it a look, I don't see much good to be done there. I went to Starbucks when they threatened a boycott in support of gun laws, and told the manager why, I think that's the best good I can do.
     
  13. Frosty Dave

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    I admit, I never really liked Starbucks coffee, but thanks to all the publicity the Fluffington Post article has generated, I've learned that their "blonde roast" is something I might like and I'm going to try some next time I'm in the neighborhood.

    I'm familiar with that website because they have so many photos of not-quite-dressed celebrity females, and I was surprised to learn that they dabble in "news" too. After reading all about people packing AR-15s in coffee houses, I think they better stay with what they do best, soft porn.
     
  14. Fryerpower

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    I sent a comment directly to Starbucks email address:

    "Thank you for being neutral and following the local laws regarding concealed carry of handguns. It was nice to be able to sit down and enjoy a cup of coffee without having to deal with a company pushing their social agenda on me. I even got to pour a little of my coffee into a sample cup for my son to drink. I snuck a few pictures of him sipping coffee and posted them on Facebook. He loved it and even bragged about having coffee with dad when we all met back up at the van."

    Seems like it would have more impact on Starbucks than a Facebook post.

    Jim
     
  15. DeadMoneyDrew

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    I'm not sure how to report a post from a mobile device, but this is how you do it from a computer.

    The report button is hidden. If you hover your mouse over the offending comment, a small X will appear in the upper right hand corner of the comment. Click that X. You will then be shown a number of options, one being "Report." Click that and then follow the instructions.

    When you go to the Starbucks Facebook page, it will probably be set to show "Highlights" by default. You will see this in a drop-down box in approximately the middle of the page. Change the setting to "Posts by others" to see the posts made by other people. Yesterday the page was peppered with nanny state firearms hate. Today it is drowning in pro-2a stuff!
     
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    And this is why I really only use FB to message the wife while I'm here. Good Lord, I've scrolled 3/4s of the way down the linked to FB page and all I've seen is comments like this. Stereotyping, check. Personal attacks, check. Ignoring the Constitution, check. Giving a reason, any reason (let alone a halfway logical reason), why Starbucks should make a store policy on guns ... well, I still haven't seen that.
     
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    They call gun owners out as being frightened and paranoid, when they should look at their very own actions in a mirror...
     
  18. pockets

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    The term 'fire mission' always puts me in mind of an arsonist.
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  19. Dnaltrop

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    Don't facebook. I don't buy hot coffee unless I'm on a road trip. It's financial suicide.

    Years ago I was fed up with drinking Scorch. and started buying green, unroasted coffee for $4-5 a Lb. Roasted it for years on the stovetop in a Whirley-Pop popcorn popper, at least till the family bought me a Behmor 1 lb machine (largest capacity roaster you can get without blowing a Grand or more, great machine)

    I could argue with their roasters all day, turning out small batch coffee by hand against their systems.

    However, their Coffee cake isn't the worst, and I'm happy to grab some on those days we're showing our appreciation.
     
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    I don't do much face book. I'm registered, but I don't frequent it. I am however familiar with the SB's gun thing. Didn't they already deal with this issue, and then decided to take down the "no firearms" signs?

    GS
     
  22. DeadMoneyDrew

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    URF that CNN article will melt your brain. Fortunately I managed to get in the very first comment in the comments section and posted that Starbucks just wants to be left out of the gun debate. Now it is the top rated comment, whoo hoo! Do I get a CNN comments prize for that?
     
  23. Fryerpower

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    The good news is that it is CLEARLY labeled as an opinion piece.

    Jim
     
  24. bender01

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    My Wife works at Starbucks! They have been great to my family. For a long time. Many customers ask her to get her CCW permit from them. I wish she would and she is pro-gun but the actual conceal thing is hard! Up down spin twist turn...... Leaving it unattended in a purse near unknown employees that come and go.. Not a good idea. Ill ask her if employees can conceal carry but Ill bet that's a NO!
     
  25. r1derbike

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    Don't do facebook or Starbucks, the Keurig works fine, thanks, but next time I see one, my wife and I WILL stop and get some joe on a jaunt!
     
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