First rifle, Tikka T3 lite - 7mm-08 or 270?

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The .270 is relatively pointless, considering the .30-06 can do all that and can also shoot bigger, heavier bullets. The .270 is not that much softer kicking than a .30-06 either, if you look at the foot pounds of recoil. What do you really gain from it vs. a 30 cal rifle? If you want a big gun, at least go with the more versatile choice.

http://www.chuckhawks.com/recoil_table.htm

The 7mm-08 has measurably less recoil and is plenty capable of taking large game. It is a good choice for medium power and recoil. The "out west" plan, needing a big rifle is becoming obsolete. With premium ammo, people use .243's, 30-30's and certainly a 7mm-08 or 6.5 Swede for elk, moose and the like. I'll take the 243 or 30-30 for elk this year...no need to feel undergunned with these.
 
The 7mm-08 has measurably less recoil
How much less recoil does a 7mm08 shooting a 120gr bullet at 2900fps have relative to a 270 shooting a 125gr bullet at 2900 fps?
 
How much less recoil does a 7mm08 shooting a 120gr bullet at 2900fps have relative to a 270 shooting a 125gr bullet at 2900 fps?

What are you talking about? Handloads? As if he were buying a gun based one certain load? Have you looked at factory ammo on Midway? The energy for the top end loads are hundreds of foot pounds different. And here, once again, a sampling of the recoil table

.270 Win. (140 at 3000) 8.0 17.1
7mm-08 Rem. (140 at 2860) 8.0 12.6

I think most people would be happy to lose 4.5 lbs. of recoil with 140 ft/sec. I doubt the OP is reloading, there's no need to confuse him.
 
I doubt the OP is reloading, there's no need to confuse him.
I presumed that you read post #13 before contributing your opinion.

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While I probably should have selected comparison ballistics based upon one of the two loads listed above to avoid confusing anyone not capable of reading the whole thread, my point remains that I can take the 270 down to 'lite' performance levels and up to 'light magnum' levels, all with factory loads, far more easily than can be done with the 7mm08. The longer case and resultant extra case capacity of the 270 simply makes the chambering more flexible than a shorter equivalent, even with factory loads.

That's not to say that there's anything wrong with 7mm08 - I have several rifles chambered for it in the safe as I type this. But if I had to choose between it and 270, I would select 270 every time.

I should also point out that the Tikka T3 uses only one action length - long - and the short chamberings are simply blocked. There is no OAL or receiver dimension advantage to the shorter round in that specific rifle.
 
I tried my first Tikka last fall, a light weight .30-'06, and I was HIGHLY impressed. I like the 6.5 x 55 for general use.
 
OK this is my last post, as common sense is not appreciated here.

1. He's worried about recoil.
2. Said he's just going to take it out hunting. He doesn't care about super high or super low loads.
3. What do I care about post 13? You know that round is accurate in his gun? Really?
4. That's great if YOU would choose the .270 EVERY TIME. We're trying to help HIM.
 
You may call it common sense, but I call it arguing for limitations and ignoring the stark reality of the matter.

You are suggesting that a chambering that has far fewer factory loadings than another, and that does not have any greater number of low recoil factory loadings than the other choice, is somehow a better choice because of its low inherent recoil.

Well, ok, I guess.
 
Thing about these Tikkas is they are built around a 30-06 length action. Yes they will feed a shorter round, but why? You an buy all sorts of 270 loads from mild to pretty harry, and you can buy Remington's Managed Recoil rounds for when you want to take care of the shoulder, or introduce another family member to the rifle.

Cold barrel shot hunting is a lot different from 3 boxes at the range. But, I do agree taht if there is a bit too much "punch", pull the butt pad and get a limbsaver :)
 
Thing about these Tikkas is they are built around a 30-06 length action. Yes they will feed a shorter round, but why? You an buy all sorts of 270 loads from mild to pretty harry, and you can buy Remington's Managed Recoil rounds for when you want to take care of the shoulder, or introduce another family member to the rifle.

Cold barrel shot hunting is a lot different from 3 boxes at the range. But, I do agree taht if there is a bit too much "punch", pull the butt pad and get a limbsaver

This is pretty much the line of though I had. The chances of me shooting 3 boxes at the range through this rifle in any one sitting are pretty slim anyway. That's what the 10/22 is for. :)

I don't reload (although it's not out of the question down the road). I'm sure I will be prepared with ammo long before any hunts or trips to the range, but it's still nice to know that I can go to any random "Jim Bob's Gas, Hot Dogs, & Ammo" and find ammunition.

The point further up about just going with the .30-06 is pretty compelling. But considering where I will hunt and what I will be shooting at, I don't think the heavier bullet really matters. From what I've read the 270 shoots slightly flatter. I kind of feel like there is no wrong choice here and I might as well flip a coin.

I'm still getting the limbsaver right off the bat. And if recoil is an issue or I find myself developing a flinch, I can always go down to the reduced recoil loads.

I can already tell that this won't be my one and only rifle (although it will probably be my one and only for the next couple of years seeing how I'm not too far out of college and more or less broke). So I'm going to try to stick to the plan of making a great deer rifle for the southeast.

The next thing to figure out is glass. I was kind of thinking about going for something smaller and more lightweight to match the rifle like a 4x fixed or something (or maybe one of the leupold ultralights), but I think I'm just aiming for a great all around deer rifle and the versatility of the variable scopes makes more sense for that.

I'm partial to Nikon because I use their camera equipment. But I'm open to Leupold as well. If I can stretch the budget a little I might for a Zeiss Conquest. I was initially planning on spending around $300, but is the extra hundred or so for the conquest worth it? I've looked through them all at one of the big chains, but they all look great inside so it's kind of hard to tell.

It seems like any of the major brands would suffice, so it will probably just come down to budget and whatever I can get the best deal on.

Thanks for all of the comments. The discussion has been interesting to say the least.
 
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One of the true strengths of the T3 is its light weight; putting a large piece of glass kinda removes some of that virtue (and moves the balance of the rifle rearward, which doesn't help offhand shooting much). I'm also highly partial to lower-magnification optics as being more versatile for hunting afield than the now-normal 3x-9x (or greater) magnification ranges. For these reasons, both of my T3s wear a VXIII 1.75x-6x/32.

Be careful with the ultralight scopes - they tend to be short in the body, and may not span the action on the Tikka with enough margin to give you the eye relief that you need.
 
My opinion... although it recoils less than the .270, the 7-08 still kicks. You WILL feel it. Why don't you just have you cake and eat it too? Get the .270 and put a muzzle brake on it. Voila!
 
As far as scopes go, I'll toss out the two good deals that I see right now (and have already been tossed out on a few threads lately) The first is the Bushnell Elite 4200 3-9x40 which is currently on closeout at Cabelas for $200, and the second is the Vortex Viper 2-7x32 which is currently on closeout at SWFA for $150. I bring up these two scopes in particular because I own both, and think they are both excellent values. I really like the glass on the 4200's , and the Vortex is very clear as well. The Viper is one of those short bodied scopes a poster above mentioned. I had a little bit of trouble trying to mount the Viper to a long action Savage until I decided to go with a DNZ one piece mount, which the Viper fits in perfectly. I too would like to one day pick up a Zeis Conquest, it seems that everybody who has one loves it.

Get the .270 and put a muzzle brake on it. Voila!

Translation : Get a relatively mildly recoiling rifle and make it super loud. Voila!

Come on man, the 270 really just doesn't kick that bad... I'd rather have some recoil that i'll never feel while shooting at game anyway, than a ringing in my ears for a few days after the hunt...
 
I topped my Tikka with a Nikon Prostaff BDC. perfect match IMHO, still light and deadly, not to mention the best low light visiablilty I have ever seen. I don't think the kick of a 270 would bother any experenced shooter. Even the 150gr bullets were a non-event to shoot, but if anyone thinks of themselves as being recoil shy I HIGHLY recomend the 6.5x55 any small child can shoot it and no deer would ever know the differnece between it and a 270.
 
They are both good deer cartridges but the 270 is more versatile in my opinion. I use mine for Moose and Black bear with 150 Nosler partitions, the 140 boattail is my go-to bullet, and for long long shots across a field, the 270 is just a bit flatter than the 7-08. 20" low at 400 is easy to figure, it's the width of a deers body. Just hold over and squeeze.
 
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