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First Semi-Auto Rifle/Carbine Purchase - Need Help

Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by desire4one, Dec 14, 2009.

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  1. desire4one

    desire4one Member

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    Fellas and gals, I need some help. I'm looking into buying my first assault rifle, and I need some reasonably priced suggestions. Mini-14? M-4? AK?
    Any advisement would be appreciated, especially is anyone has any info on Inter-Ordanance AK's. I am also hearing a rumor on Thompson Submachine reproductions around $350, if anyone can confirm, please do. Thanks for the assist.
     
  2. THE DARK KNIGHT

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    If you want an Assault Rifle you can definitely get one since you are in PA and they allow NFA items. Unfortunately it's not gonna be anywhere near $350. You're looking at almost $15-20,000 for an AK, Thompsons I've seen for around $5000.

    If you want a semi auto rifle of an AK, Mini, etc you will see them for yeah, somewhere from $350-650
     
  3. IndianaBoy

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    With respect, let's not let the gun-banners name our guns for us.

    Unless you assault someone with it, it isn't an assault rifle. Machine guns aren't assault rifles. They are selective fire, or fully automatic.



    For a first semi-automatic centerfire, an AR-15 is hard to beat.

    Order a bargain bin rifle from CMMG. Great starter rifles.
     
  4. desire4one

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    Doesn't have to be $350, I just heard the Thompson reproductions were around that. I'm looking to spend a max of $700-$800, perferablly lower. :(
     
  5. desire4one

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    Good point with the label. Semi auto rifle.
     
  6. Extremely Pro Gun

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    SIR their is no such thing as an assault rifle or assault weapon. They are semi-automatic sporting and/or self-defense firearms.
     
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    Never seen a Tommy repro south of $800.
     
  8. Ohio Gun Guy

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    Our friends at wikipedia have the following to say: (Red Highlights by ME) :D
    The term assault rifle is a translation of the German word Sturmgewehr (literally meaning "storm rifle"), "storm" used synonymous with assault. The name was coined by Adolf Hitler[1] to describe the Maschinenpistole 44, subsequently re-christened Sturmgewehr 44, the firearm generally considered the first true assault rifle that served to popularize the concept.

    The translation assault rifle gradually became the common term for similar firearms sharing the same technical definition as the StG 44. In a strict definition, a firearm must have at least the following characteristics to be considered an assault rifle:[2][3][4]

    It must be an individual weapon with provision to fire from the shoulder (i.e. a buttstock);
    It must be capable of selective fire; It must have an intermediate-power cartridge: more power than a pistol but less than a standard rifle or battle rifle;
    Its ammunition must be supplied from a detachable magazine.
    Rifles that meet most of these criteria, but not all, are technically not assault rifles despite frequently being considered as such. For example, semi-automatic-only rifles that share designs with assault rifles such as the AR-15 (which the M-16 rifle is based on) are not assault rifles, as they are not capable of switching to automatic fire and thus not selective fire. Belt-fed weapons (such as the M249 SAW) or rifles with fixed magazines are likewise not assault rifles because they do not have detachable box magazines.

    The term "assault rifle" is often more loosely used for commercial or political reasons to include other types of arms, particularly arms that fall under a strict definition of the battle rifle, or semi-automatic variant of military rifles such as AR-15s.

    The US Army defines assault rifles as "short, compact, selective-fire weapons that fire a cartridge intermediate in power between submachinegun and rifle cartridges
     
  9. THE DARK KNIGHT

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    There is most certainly a such thing as an Assault Rifle.

    The name was coined by the Germans with Sturmgewher 44 / stg 44

    AK with a fun switch, M-16, AC-556, etc. are all Assault Rifles.

    Your WASR-10 or DPMS Panther are not.
     
  10. desire4one

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    Redefined Title

    Everyone, I apologize for the term. What I should have posted is semi-auto rifle/carbine purchase. I typed faster than I thought.
     
  11. Ohio Gun Guy

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    Now to answer your question:

    Your price range is about right for an Ak type rifle (WASR). You'll need some ammo. and currently the gun itself is running about 400-450 in my area.

    A good SKS can be had for 350.00
     
  12. THE DARK KNIGHT

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    Get a cheap AK-clone in 7.62x39 and 1,000 rounds of Brown Bear ammo for it. You won't be disappointed.
     
  13. desire4one

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    What manufacturer for the AK-Clone? Model? My knowledge base is with handguns, so this is my first venture out into the rifle category.
     
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    Your German is as weak as your logic.

    Assault is a verb, not an adjective.
     
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    Fer cryin' out loud, let's define our terms, but let's be realistic.

    As has been pointed out, rifles DO exist under the name "assault rifle." An assault rifle is capable of fully automatic fire. The anti's apply this term to describe SEMI-auto rifles. They do this on purpose, of course, to fool and confuse the public.

    Back to the OP's question: The current crop of Mini-14's are pretty close in price to an M-4 and offer no real advantage, other than they don't "look" as mean.

    An AK can be found for less, but you need to buy your ammo in bulk online.

    The only Thompson reproductions I'm aware of are made by Kahr and are nowhere near $350. Even if they were, you'd have a heavy long gun that's only good for 100 yds on a good day.

    I suggest getting an M-4
     
  17. IndianaBoy

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    OP, what do you intend to use the rifle for? Hunting? Defense? 3-Gun? Plinking? Target shooting?


    I would wager that some of the cheap ak clones will indeed let you down if you want to hunt varmints. Personally I was nonplussed by the ergonomics of the AK platform. To each his own. I recommend you handle as many rifles as you can.
     
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    I would have to suggest a Double Star Ar-15 if you can swing it. Check out Buds online, I think they are $650 or so. I have an ak and they are fun but I prefer my ar.

    I had an sks and sold it when I got a Saiga in 7.62x39. The Saiga was more accurate, lighter, and balanced much better for me, plus nowadays sks's are $300 and the Saiga isn't much more. Great rifle for a budget.
     
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    I'd go with an AR-15. It is a much better platform to learn proper marksmanship with due to its excellent adjustable sights, and fine accuracy. It's also like a Harley Davidson or similar in that half the fun is customizing and modifying the rifle as your budget, preferences, and needs change. Anything you want to do with it is just an upper receiver swap away. Want to hunt the biggest, most dangerous game in North America? Get a .50 Beowulf upper. Want to sit on a prairie dog colony? Get a heavy barreled varmint receiver. Deer-sized game? There's a number of uppers for that.

    Bottom line, you can't go wrong with an AR-15 for your first or only rifle.
     
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    AR platform offers the most options and flexibility. get a flat top on it and you can add various optics, BUIS, a nice scope, etc. as your needs/wants change, you can swap uppers. there are good deals on uppers in the classifieds here sometimes. .223/5.56 is available everywhere and is relatively cheap.

    one lower can be a dozen different rifles from .204 ruger to the .50 Beowolf.

    $800 can get you one of several good brands of AR's still.

    Just my opinion.

    Bobby
     
  21. THE DARK KNIGHT

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    I'll ignore your insulting remark, and point out that there is, in fact, a such thing as an assault rifle. They cost quite a lot of money and are generally not in civillian hands. But hey, go on and pretend there's no such thing as an assault rifle because some senator from NY thinks your AR-15 is one.
     
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    I agree with Dark Knight...

    Assault Rifle is a military term.
    Assault Weapon is a political term.
     
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    Seems they could fairly be called "assaulted weapons" given how many attacks they endure from gun-grabbers.

    Seems companies that make them like to refer to them as tactical rifles.
     
  25. chevyforlife21

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    no "assault rifles" that's what the liberals call everything with more then a 5 round magazine. they are just rifles/carbines, any gun could be an "assault rifle" if you are use it for evil
     
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